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Re: Just listened to Chinese Democracy again...
Apparently Russ... Catcher is one of the great tracks from CD.
But then again, I always thought Bad Obsession was one of the great tracks from UYI, so what do I know?
And to metallex, Frank's work being "dumbed down" for the masses, is exactly what GN'R needs. It was the problem with Sorum. It was the problem with Brain. GN'R doesn't need John fucking Bonham on drums. They were a sleazy hard rock band, with a groove. Steven brought that. Frank brings it, and why I think he's the BEST drummer out there for GN'R, and i'm glad he's in the band. This is the kind of drummer GN'R needs. They don't need a technical drummer. They need a Phil Rudd-type back there that just gives rock songs fucking balls, without going into anything crazy. Frank fits that mold, perfectly imo.
Re: Just listened to Chinese Democracy again...
GNR isn't a sleazy R&R band. They weren't during UYI. That shit ended at AFD. With nuGNR its about musicianship and Brain fit that.
That's why Steven would have been totally out of place on UYI. I think he sounds off on Civil War.
Re: Just listened to Chinese Democracy again...
GN'R will always be a sleazy Rn'R band. That's why AFD has remained their flagship, that's the reason Axl still plays it in majority at GN'R shows, that's what Frank is in the band, and that's why Jungle, SCOM & PC are still played daily, even on modern rock stations.
That shit might have been asleep, but it was resurrected in 2006 with Frank's addition, and chronic AFD revue shows, which seem to be making a return.
CD is the exception, because they are pushing an album. When they start playing UYI songs again, in decent quantity, I might look at the sleazy thing as being dead.
Re: Just listened to Chinese Democracy again...
I really like CD on the album, I like Rons additions and for me it's the best version of the song. They never did justice to it live until they kicked off this tour imo. As for SOD and Madagascar I agree but then I was burnt out on those two songs way before CD ever came out anyway.
I'm definitely against the majority regarding CITR though, I like the album version. Excluding Brian Mays solo I thought the leak was seriously lacking, the album version might go overboard the other way in terms of clutter but I find it far superior to the leak overall. I think the outro's fantastic, the combo of Axl and Rons guitar work is a real high point of the album for me.
I prefer the album version of Catcher as well. The only thing that really bugs me is Robin's outro solo over one of Axl's most lyrically brilliant moments. Let the words carry the weight.....not a pitchy guitar solo....drop it down in the mix or drop it out.:/
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Re: Just listened to Chinese Democracy again...
tejas: Yes. Yes I do feel like a douche.
I like your honesty. 
Re: Just listened to Chinese Democracy again...
Riad will always suck.
Riad is a bad ass musical jam. Will forever shock me that Stinson played a role in the creation of this track. It sounds more like Praxis than GNR, and Stinson can whine and moan about Bucket til the cows come home, but the two had chemistry and if/when Praxis ever do another album, would love to see Tommy guest on the album/band the way Bootsy collaborates with them. Will never happen of course because Tommy has to bitch about superior talent.
Axl is the weak link on this track, vocally and lyrically. Get him away from it because its outside his element. Would love for this to be a single in the one in a million chance an instrumental is its B side.
