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Paxcow

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Re: Jason Lives: FRIDAY THE 13TH

Paxcow wrote:

WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!! DOES ANYBODY ELSE SEE THE BLACK LINES OR IS IT JUST ME?????? PLEASE EXPLAIN. SOMEONE...... IT'S FREAKING ME OUT!

Axlin16

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Re: Jason Lives: FRIDAY THE 13TH

Axlin16 wrote:

I think that's alot of what I was getting at with Manhattan feeling like a special high-budget feature-length episode of the TV series. Rob Hedden wrote and directed it, as well as Fred Mollin scoring it, and to me... it felt like the TV show. I loved that aspect of it. They also added those supernatural elements to it, which smacked of Hedden obviously being used to the formula of the TV show, and not that of a traditional F13 film should be.

Where it hurt it - gore. It's so weak when it concerns gore. Really the only stand out is Julius getting his block knocked off - literally - and then we see "head cam" as it falls into the trash can. To this day, that is so bitchin!

-D-

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Re: Jason Lives: FRIDAY THE 13TH

-D- wrote:

Final Friday was shitty also. the captain from 21 jumpstreet eating Jasons heart? WTF is that and how didn't that get voted off first?

-D-

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Re: Jason Lives: FRIDAY THE 13TH

-D- wrote:

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Another HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE plothole was Jason letting Whitney live. I get she looked like his mother etc, but she was chained up for 6 weeks, WTF did Jason do? go to the supermarket and buy her food and water? how did she piss and shit? When they found her, she wasn't even dirty.

WTF is that?

Also, if u are sedentary for 6 weeks, there is no way in hell, u are gonna just hop the fuck up and start running like that.

-D-

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Re: Jason Lives: FRIDAY THE 13TH

-D- wrote:

WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!! DOES ANYBODY ELSE SEE THE BLACK LINES OR IS IT JUST ME?????? PLEASE EXPLAIN. SOMEONE...... IT'S FREAKING ME OUT!

Just hold down left click and go over it. it is a Spoiler so it is blacked out.

Axlin16

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Re: Jason Lives: FRIDAY THE 13TH

Axlin16 wrote:

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Yeah, they're a couple at the gas station, outside his house, and inside his house. Its when she walks outside with the other guy that the writers do a 'bait and switch'. An alternate time line within the film is immediately created where the two were never a couple, and Trent is just interested in scoring, while the chick who used to be his girlfriend enters her own time line where she's hanging out with the dude who spends about 10 minutes of the film(which is about 12% of the film) handing out fliers.

When they arrive back at the house, he isn't even a concern to her. Only reason she goes to that bedroom is because those two are the last to know about whats going on. When she asks where they are, the black dude simply says they are in bed, which shows that the timeline is now permanently changed and NOT just a slight blunder because even other characters are not acknowledging the relationship the two had a mere 15 minutes ago.

This film is a cosmic joke.

PRE-cisely. It's a plothole big enough to drive a Miller Beer Truck through. Even for an F13 film.

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It's a major plothole, definitely. Jenna seems to only exist to run around with Clay, and the blonde only exists simply to get fucked. She served no other purpose. Looking back on this film, I would've restructured it BIG time. You add a couple more people to the group in the opening, and just let the film be potato sack Jason run around killing campers, like he's so good at doing, as we gradually hear more and more about the history of Jason, instead of the condensed Zombie-esque sped up opening, like Zombie did with the third act of Halloween 2007. You let F132009 just be that story in 90 minutes, then Whitney gets "killed" so to speak, and the sequel is the brother looking for Whitney - ALONE - and you have Trent & Jenna, the boating couple, and the black & asian guy fighting over the blonde - to just die anyways.

There have been so many different directors and writers in this franchise, I'm not sure why they feel the need to ALWAYS give us the origin of this character. Does there always have to be a reason to his rhyme? How about just once, a group of people stumble upon this area and they don't have a fucking clue as to what went on at Crystal Lake? They either know beforehand, or find out in the process.

reminds me of the Final destination franchise to an extent. Each sequel has to spend 20 or 30 minutes investigating that first set of teens from the first film. Who cares? Cant an event happen that doesn't have to link to that, and cant they die without knowing about the original cast?:haha:

This is one of the main reasons I have wanted a foreign director to take over the reigns of one of these iconic franchises before its too late.

We would see a different take on the story instead of the continued rehashed drivel diluted decade after decade.

Agreed. In some ways, this was an aspect I enjoyed of the later sequels, which kind of just ignored it. Parts VI-X, really didn't even discuss it all that much. JGTH creates it's own backstory which ties into the plot actually (so it works on that level), and other than a couple of lines in the opening of Part VIII, everyone on board, including the deck hand, seems to be well-versed in the mythology of Jason Voorhees, coming from Crystal Lake High. Most of the time the dialogue referencing Jason, like the characters and the audience are already well-aware of him... which I find to be a strong point.

So your theory of "just once, I wish they'd..." they kind of already have. All of the later sequels take this approach, because well... they're later sequels.

Unfortunately, I think you're wanting just an 'off screen' killer to be killing, and no one knows what's up. That's... F1380 basically. It's been done. Unfortunately we're dealing with a franchise now, and an icon in cinema... the days of "who dunnit" are long gone.

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I think you guys are looking into some of it too much. Trent is supposed to be your typical spoiled asshole, who has to always get what he wants. He is a douchebag to the nth degree. So it is no big deal to fuck that other girl. Jenna is probably not totally concerned at the moment she knocks on the door while they are fucking, because there is a crazy killer outside. At that point, my number one objective would be to live.

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Yeah, but like James said, it's totally abandoned within the film, like it never happened, which is a major plothole. The audience is left to ASSUME Jenna's intentions, simply because we're forced to by bad writing. I think we all knew Trent's intentions and what he was doing. It's Jenna that seems to throw EVERYTHING off. I remember sitting in the theater, and thinking WTF? I thought those two were a couple? Jenna's knocking on his door, and SHE, not he, SHE doesn't even care? Huh? Then I went, well maybe this, well maybe that... and tried to rationalize it. You can't. It's a massive plothole.

WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!! DOES ANYBODY ELSE SEE THE BLACK LINES OR IS IT JUST ME?????? PLEASE EXPLAIN. SOMEONE...... IT'S FREAKING ME OUT!

They're called spoiler tags, for people who haven't seen the film, and don't want to be spoiled of it's discussion. Simply highlight the black bars with your mouse, and you can read... if you want.

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Another HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE plothole was Jason letting Whitney live. I get she looked like his mother etc, but she was chained up for 6 weeks, WTF did Jason do? go to the supermarket and buy her food and water? how did she piss and shit? When they found her, she wasn't even dirty.

WTF is that?

Also, if u are sedentary for 6 weeks, there is no way in hell, u are gonna just hop the fuck up and start running like that.

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Agreed, another major weakness. I'm cool with Whitney (Amanda Righetti) being pushed to be a heroine, which is fine, but to do it like that was fuckin' lame. I simply don't buy Jason running around, and destroying everything breathing, and yet Whitney lives because she kind of looks like mommy. She's there for six weeks... did Jason feed her? Torture her? Fuck her? What did he do with her? How did she live? You can't go more than a couple of days without water, and her looking all hot for the camera was lame too. Jessica Biel looked dirtier and more busted up in simply a few running scenes in Nispel's TCM2003, than Righetti looked in six weeks chained up underground. Her hair looked the same, fresh lipstick, clothes were barely dirty, and the big giveaway of all that made me groan was her crisp bright-white teeth... after they haven't been brushed for six weeks.

She should've looked F-U-C-K-E-D up, if they were gonna keep her alive. Instead she looked just as hot as she did when she was captured.

Axlin16

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Re: Jason Lives: FRIDAY THE 13TH

Axlin16 wrote:

Capt. Fuller from 21 Jump Street, or Creighton Duke (Steven Williams), his name in the film never ate Jason's heart. He was Jason's nemesis in the film. The only interaction he ever had with Jason himself, was when Jason was reborn in the Voorhees' house, and Jason picked him up, he looked Jason square in the eye and said "tonight... you... DIE!", and Jason broke his back, and dropped him.

I think you're confusing Steven Williams, with the black coroner from the opening of the film. That's a heavier set actor, I believe his name is Richard Gant. He was the one who ate the heart, and set forth the body hopping.

Bono

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Re: Jason Lives: FRIDAY THE 13TH

Bono wrote:

Jason Takes Manhatten. Absolute garbage. When he takes on the guy who tries to box him that made me puke from embarassment for the franchise. Jason takes Manahatten is as gay as Godzilla with Mathew Broderick.

Paxcow

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Re: Jason Lives: FRIDAY THE 13TH

Paxcow wrote:

WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!! DOES ANYBODY ELSE SEE THE BLACK LINES OR IS IT JUST ME?????? PLEASE EXPLAIN. SOMEONE...... IT'S FREAKING ME OUT!

Just hold down left click and go over it. it is a Spoiler so it is blacked out.

oh! ok. that's pretty cool. and annoying at the same time!

James

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Re: Jason Lives: FRIDAY THE 13TH

James wrote:

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I think you guys are looking into some of it too much. Trent is supposed to be your typical spoiled asshole, who has to always get what he wants. He is a douchebag to the nth degree. So it is no big deal to fuck that other girl. Jenna is probably not totally concerned at the moment she knocks on the door while they are fucking, because there is a crazy killer outside. At that point, my number one objective would be to live.

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That would only hold water if the two and the rest of the cast acknowledged them as a couple.

They don't.

No one is saying its a big deal he fucked that other chick. Millions of people fuck around. However, those people don't step into another dimension where the prior relationship never existed. In previous Fridays, the couples stick together until one(or both) are dead.

These two didn't because they weren't a couple.

Its a huge gaffe by the film makers.

What MIGHT have happened here is a hack job in the editing room. They played with too many cuts and wound up dropping scenes in favor of others and it gave us a final botched product. Still doesn't explain how the film makers simply let it pass by like they didn't notice it.

They probably didn't care. This was gonna make money even if Big Bird was filmed swimming across the lake.