Slash Basically Blaming Axl

bigbri

While I'm in the camp that it takes two to tango, the argument that Slash is keeping Axl from reuniting for $150M doesn't work for me.

First, they've already got enough to retire unless they're absolute numbskulls with their money.

Two, you assume Duff, Izzy, Steven and whoever would criticize Slash if he were the roadblock to all that cash. I don't think everyone involved has the balls to criticize Slash if that were the case.

Three, maybe there is no "heinous behavior" behind it. Maybe Axl just doesn't like Slash anymore. I've got friends who I just grew apart from. Just because they made music doesn't oblige them to be friends forever.

Intercourse

bigbri wrote:

First, they've already got enough to retire unless they're absolute numbskulls with their money.

Tell that to the Eagles and all the other bands who did it BigBri. Sometimes it's about capturing old glories, not just the money.

bigbri wrote:

Two, you assume Duff, Izzy, Steven and whoever would criticize Slash if he were the roadblock to all that cash. I don't think everyone involved has the balls to criticize Slash if that were the case.

I think Steven might as he's nothing left to loose and he said 'what jas Slash done?' when the cancer quote came out. Anyway, they all had the balls to criticise Axl so why not Slash, even back in the days when none of them were working together anymore and VR was not in existance?

bigbri wrote:

Axl just doesn't like Slash anymore. I've got friends who I just grew apart from. Just because they made music doesn't oblige them to be friends forever.

I fully agree but Pax says she knows big secrets about Slash. Axl said he is a cancer. That's not 'growing apart' from someone, that's hating them.

bigbri

I see where you're coming from. I'm not real passionate about this topic, so I won't argue it. But I will say the guys didn't have the balls to stand up to Axl when it really counted, that's all.

I'm with you, if there's reason Axl hates Slash, it'd be nice to know.

mickronson

If I hated someone so much, as much as Axl seems to hate Slash, and someone asked me why, i`d rant like hell about it to em, not do em any favours by keepin my mouth shut

slashsfro

I see where you're coming from. I'm not real passionate about this topic, so I won't argue it. But I will say the guys didn't have the balls to stand up to Axl when it really counted, that's all.
I'm with you, if there's reason Axl hates Slash, it'd be nice to know.

That's what is frustrating to me bigbri, the last few interviews have made it perfectly clear that Axl loathes Slash and does not want to work with him in the near future. However, the reason for this animosity remains unclear to me. When he speaks of Slash and what happened to their relationship, it has always been in vague terms leaving the reader to guess at the ultimate reason for the breakup. In the Billboard interview, he mentioned this:

Give me a fucking break. What's clear is that one of the two of us will die before a reunion and however sad, ugly or unfortunate anyone views it, it is how it is. Those decisions were made a long time ago and reiterated year after year by one man.

There are acts that, once committed between individuals, they are what they are. To add insult to injury almost day after day, lapsing into year after year, for more than a decade, is a nightmare. Anyone putting his own personal entertainment above everything else is sickening.

Can anyone actually guess the source of his rancor because I can't? What decisions/acts is he talking about? The fact that he made the Snakepit album after Axl rejected most of the material? As a fan I have come to terms with the idea that it will be a long time before these guys reunite. If Axl is going to continue to bash Slash in every interview he gives, it would be nice to know the specific reasons for his hate.

bigbri

Maybe it's something we can't fathom. I mean, who knows. We as GNR fans think we know everything that's happened, but maybe we don't. Maybe we won't. Maybe we'll just have to deal with knowing what we DO know.

Honestly, I couldn't care less. I've moved on. So have they. It's fans that haven't.

monkeychow

bigbri wrote:

But I will say the guys didn't have the balls to stand up to Axl when it really counted, that's all.

It depends how you look at it.

I guess you could say that allowing Axl to get control of the name rights was a lack of balls, especially if the 'gig cancel hostage' situation they've talked about is true (i think Axl denied it recently though). Axl put it down to them not showing interest, and given their drug use etc at the time, I think it's possible it was a combination of lack of business ackumen, just wanting to play, being high a lot and deciding not to make waves with Axl who was clearly passionate about it. Stupid decision for them i'll grant.

But at the same time, quitting the band was ballsy, or kind of the ultimate bluff and Axl took them up on it. Like realisticly GNR was huge, and it's almost impossible for anyone in a band that big to quit and achieve the same level of success in a new outfit. They must have known that when they quit...but they did it anyway.

So in a sence you could say they've been standing up to Axl for years.
Izzy did it when he said he'd rather walk than become an empolyee in something he helped create. Slash drew the line eventually over the incidents he talks about in his book. And the others took longer but eventually followed suit. If you think about Slash's comments, he almost never says like "fuck axl" type stuff, he basicly hints about what would have to change in order for him to return to GNR.

Of course in reality Axl would never want him to return to GNR. But in that way, you could say it's standing up to Axl that caused the break up of GNR. (faults of everyone asside). The guys kind of bluffed Axl, like, back in the day, who would really have expected him to attempt to carry on GNR alone, but for right or wrong he's done it, and called their bluff.

I'll i'm saying is that if they guys hadn't stood up to Axl, they'd be playing on CD now.

monkeychow

slashsfro wrote:

In the Billboard interview, he mentioned this:
Give me a fucking break. What's clear is that one of the two of us will die before a reunion and however sad, ugly or unfortunate anyone views it, it is how it is. Those decisions were made a long time ago and reiterated year after year by one man.
There are acts that, once committed between individuals, they are what they are. To add insult to injury almost day after day, lapsing into year after year, for more than a decade, is a nightmare. Anyone putting his own personal entertainment above everything else is sickening.
Can anyone actually guess the source of his rancor because I can't?

Interesting post. I would guess the insult to injury remarks refer to Slash's media interviews, which for whatever reason Axl considers lies. The 'personal entertainment' remark is saying that fans shouldn't expect him to work with slash for their own amusment when it would be terrible for him.
So the question is, what are the acts refered to in the first sentance that Axl found so unforgivable?

Obviously we have no way to know this. I would guess and speculate that perhaps it's something that happened on a personal level.

Imagine if something like this had occured: Slash interjects in Axl's relationship with Stephanie. Either he fucks her, or helps her avoid Axl one night when they're having a fight or something. He gets involved. Or perhaps he doesn't but Axl *believes* he got involved for whatever reason. They have a massive fight and their friendship is damaged on a personal level. For a while they try and soilder on by simply avoiding each other in the studio and stuff, but the bad blood on a personal level doesn't sit well with the existing pressures in the band (Axl liking huge, the normal cancellations etc, the potential change of direction) and eventually the enviroment is just too toxic and slash leaves. While these little things would have been causing problems anyway, the real problem from Axl's perspective is the damaged friendship that started the bad blood. But then slash in the media blames everything but that as the reason for the break up. Imagine how annoying it would be if you stoped being friends with slash because he fucked your ex or something yet slash is always saying the reason GNR died was because of of frustration with cancelled shows and other stuff. I'd get SUPER pissed in such a situation. Just a guess.

Anyway - so the above is probably utter bullshit...but what i'm really trying to re-itterate - is that I think the source of the problem is *something* on a personal level between them. At least it is to Axl - this may or may not be something slash is even aware of in his own mind, as it seems their personalities and outlook on life are different, and it's the fact that slash talkes about the business stuff that pisses off Axl.

Intercourse

thanks for getting involved guys - always good to shoot the breeze about GNR past present and future.

I suppose if we look at how hard Axl took the Stephanie break up then we can appreciate how amped up the hate must be for those he feels crossed him, Slash being the case in point.

mickronson

Is it as simple as sour grapes that Slash has made it without Axl.. The fact Slash quit at all? till Axl grows some balls and says what it is, I dont need to read another interview.
Axl is an obsessive after all, didnt he dispute the november rain marriage scene was actually a real ceremony...
and now im bored.

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