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BLS-Pride
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Re: The Shield

BLS-Pride wrote:
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Fuckin Vic selling out Ronnie. I really thought we would see those two go at it instead of how it went down. Ronnie should have ran when he had the chance.

Tommie
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Re: The Shield

Tommie wrote:

Post finale interview with Shawn Ryan:


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If last night's Shield capper doesn't have you uttering the words "best series finale ever," then you're hopped up on the same nose candy as Shane Vendrell. But as amazing as the episode was, it left me with more than a few nagging questions. Luckily, the man with the answers, series creator Shawn Ryan, just so happens to be on my speed dial. (If you have yet to watch the finale, stop reading now!)

AUSIELLO: I understand Shane committing suicide, but did he have to take wife Mara and son Jackson with him?
SHAWN RYAN: To us, it made sense. I mean, it wasn't fun to write. But in terms of the overall arc of the show, it felt like the place it should go.

Where was Vic racing off to at the end?

We've always viewed Vic as a shark. He's someone who, in order to survive, has to move forward. Is he going to search for his kids? Is he going to pursue his own sort of police work on his own time? Is he going to do something postal? I don't know. But I do think the shark swims forward.

Did you want us to think Dutch might have killed Rita (Frances Fisher)? There was that whole cat-strangling after all…
I never felt like Dutch was that far off on the deep end. But we joked about how, in the finale, Dutch would come home and unlock some padlock on a door leading to a basement and there would be a bunch of kids chained to the wall.

Andre Benjamin played a comic book store owner in a 2004 episode, and then turned up again last night as a "candidate" for mayor. Same character?
Yes. In that 2004 episode, he was someone who was upset that prostitutes and drug dealers were occupying the streets that his store was on. He was being very proactive to get them off the street. So our idea was that in the intervening time, he's actually formalized that kind of agenda and turned it into a fringe mayoral candidacy.

What was your thinking behind including him in the finale?
It allowed us to look at a couple of different opinions of the overarching relationship between police and a city. Obviously, Andre's character had a very radical, although in some ways commonsensical, ideology about the relationship between police and, as he would call it, the prison state. The Shield has always been a mixture between open-ended storylines and closed-ended storylines. And, so that story just allowed us to tell a closed-ended story that tied into Aceveda's run for mayor AND Julian and Tina.

Speaking of Julian, why didn't he eventually come out of the closet?
The place that we had gotten him to by the end of the second season, which was that he went through aversion therapy and was embracing his religion and marrying a woman…I had done a lot of research and reading about people who had taken this path, and a lot of times -- most of that time -- these people stay on that path for a number of years. And so in the timeline of our story -- the entire run of The Shield takes place in about three years -- it didn't seem to me that he would reach crisis point. And I didn't want to force a story that didn't feel organic. We did put a nod to it in the finale with the moment where he sees a happy gay couple. I definitely wanted an acknowledgment that that story has not ended for him.

Do you have a favorite moment from the finale?
I really like the final confrontation scene between Claudette and Vic, where she lays those photos out in front of him. I always knew in the back of my mind that I wanted a Claudette-Vic confrontation [in the finale]. I guess what I could not have anticipated when we got there was that Vic doesn't even really say a word in that scene. I always sort of envisioned the two going at each other, but the way this story broke, it was just Claudette talking. The things Michael Chiklis said without saying anything… it was a real acting triumph.

You weren't on the set the week the episode was shot last spring due to the writers strike. Is there anything you would have asked the director to do differently had you been there?
The scene with Shane and Mara, where Mara's in the bed and is having a lot of pain and he's going to help her to the bathroom…It came off a little lighter and more comedic, and I wanted it to be a little more tragic. I ultimately was able to get the effect I wanted, but it just required a little more work in the editing room. What you saw reflects how I wanted it to be. But it's a little bit choppier than I would necessarily would have liked.

Will there be a Shield movie?

Hollywood is obviously a place that revisits ideas or shows, and maybe that will happen with The Shield. Maybe not. But I'd only do it under circumstances in which the quality could remain the same."

Axlin16
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Re: The Shield

Axlin16 wrote:

I finally saw the finale and agree with Shawn Ryan on 'the shark' thing. I watched it with my dad, who's been a Shield-fanatic from day one, and he was disappointed, alot like The Sopranos finale.

I think he was looking for a more definitive end.

But personally I feel that was unnecessary as The Shield built up their entire 7th season as an extended series finale. The whole season was a closing. Every episode was one more story tied up, and being driven to closure.

There wasn't alot of stand alone stories in the final season. It was mostly the outstanding arc's.

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Personally I thought the finale worked on alot of levels. The Shield was about tragic characters, with Vic being the world's biggest anti-hero. The Shield also prided itself it's entire run on realism, or as close as they could get. This show wasn't big and over indulgent. It didn't need a Miami Vice type of finale, where we see Crockett & Tubbs go out like a bunch of old west cowboys, guns blazin', then they throw in their badges. For The Shield that was not really necessary. The build up to Shane's suicide and triple-murder (Mara was pretty far along with their daughter), was some of the best TV i've ever seen. We got to see Shane in a capacity we've never seen him. Father, nurturer, protector. A glimpse at a vunerable Shane, a likeable Shane, the man he would've been had he never met Vic Mackey. When Vic cut that deal, he slit the throat of any leverage Shane had left for him and his family. The end for him was shocking, yet expected. I was just stunned at the murders.

Ronnie was always the #4 on the team, behind Vic, Shane & Lem. I always knew Vic would roll over on him. The difference was, I expected Ronnie to roll over on Vic first, which didn't happen. He stayed loyal to the end. David Rees Snell's reaction as Ronnie to finding out Vic sold him out, was played well too. He needed a reaction that strong. CCH Pounder should win a Best Supporting Actress award for her work this season. Still the best.

The end for me was totally understandable. At least in my eyes. Vic won. He won it all. He got it all. He beat them all. He beat Acevada, he beat Monica Rawlings, he beat Kavanaugh, he beat Shane, he beat Claudette, and he even beat the Feds. He won. Top of the mountain. It was all over.... but the true punishment was the hell of his own existance. His family - gone (witness protection). Two of his best friends - dead (Shane & Lem). One of his best friends in prison for life (Ronnie). His career - dead. The Armenian money - gone. He won it all, yet won nothing. But as Shawn Ryan said, Vic is a shark. If you notice the final scene he spends those moments back tracking his life. He then looks at his kids & wife, then gets that look in his eye... that Vic look... that crazy look. He then grabs the gun, and goes all classic-Vic with his stance, and evil stare as he walks past the camera. Vic needs something to aim for. Always. He needs that driving force to keep him going. He's addicted to the action. Certaintly there's no fucking way in hell, that Vic is going to work that desk job for three years to get his immunity. No way.

I think the lead up to the final frame is significant. He saw the cop cars going off to the call (I assume that was the "Shots Fired" call from the Barn). He then looks at his family later in the scene, and stares. Then grabs his gun, throws his jacket on, and walks, like he's a man now on a mission again. Like before.

1) The Barn is now short SEVERAL cops. Ronnie is in hold up. He's going to break Ronnie out.

2) He's going to get him to Mexico

3) He's going to turn around, and try to find his family.


It's all Vic has to live for now.

As for movies, I highly doubt it. The Shield was not slamming the ratings anymore for FX, I don't think there's a massive market in a theatrically released Shield film, and if anything were done, it'd probably be a Made-For-Cable film for FX, and with the way the finale ended, they might just live and let die with the show's legacy.

Randall Flagg
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Re: The Shield

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I was totally shocked by Shane murdering his family.  I understand it at some level, but I nearly cried when it finally hit me when Ronnie told Vic.  There's a whole other dimension for me in the sadness of this ending.  I've been watching The Shield since the pilot episode when I was a freshman in college.  It's culmination for me symbolizes the end of that era of my life in many ways. 

Axlin08,  you're review was fucking spot on.  You really nailed it.  I'd love to see Vic break Ronnie out of jail and keep doing his thing, but it'd ruin the importance of the finale.  It's just a shame when something you've let become apart of you finally comes to an end.  I got the same feeling when I got CD.  Years and years of anticipation and ideas - and now it's over.  That's life I guess.

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