McCain lies? Caves? Or Obama was right?

tejastech08

Axlin08 wrote:

Obama won the debate. We'll see how the upcoming ones go, but I have no doubt Obama will get another boost after tonight.
McCain made some good points, and even caught Obama on some facts, but came off as rough and unprepared. His biggest issue was the entire debate he came across as agitated. Seriously. It was like he was pissed about something, I don't know if it's because he didn't want to be there or what.
Obama came across as relaxed, prepared, poised and classy. The man also made some very good arguments and poignant statements, and just all around came off on the screen - better.
The problem for McCain is this is HIS ARENA. He didn't want to do the convention. He wanted this. And ironically... his convention was better.
We'll see how future debates go, because i've seen others come back. I know in 2004 Bush came off awful in the first debate, and then majorly kicked ass in the 2nd & 3rd. So who knows.
But right now, Obama won game one of the division playoffs.
And as for Palin/Biden next week... ugh... *cough*... after that Katie Couric interview, Biden's gonna break Palin's back across his knee. This is gonna be like watching an elephant crush a mouse.

If Palin comes across completely clueless like she did in that interview, it could become a major problem for his campaign. But I suppose the people who were so happy he picked her probably already made up their minds and won't be scared off when she freezes up on basic, important questions that a VP should be able to discuss.

Axlin16

tejastech08 wrote:

PaSnow wrote:
I didn't really notice him not looking at Obama, but I've heard it said on the post show. I think that's McCains personality (which I don;'t like), but just he's a little bit of a jerk, and won't look opponents in the eye. Things he's always right all the time, I'm right you're wrong. Also, he tried to belittle him a few times by saying "What Obama doesn't understand is...". I'm sure that was just a stunt, but the first time he said that I knew he'd use it all night. Sure enough he did.
I noticed it right away. Both of them "greeting" each other at center stage, Obama says "Hi, John, how are you doing?" with a smile on his face in a cordial fashion. McCain didn't even make eye contact with him. He was too busy looking at the crowd and moderator as if Obama wasn't even there. Very odd coming from a guy who claims to have such a "bi-partisan" record.

Oh yeah, and did you see at the end? Obama immediately walked up to John, extended his hand and said "great job John" or "good job John" with a smile on his face, and McCain blew him off. He didn't make eye contact with him, then saw Obama's hand, made a quick handshake, and immediately walked away to go great his wife.

I'm not saying he was intentionally being an asshole, but he certaintly came across as uptight and agitated. Obama was much more relaxed, prepared, and yes, even friendly.

tejastech08

James is right about McCain being a coward. I just saw a replay of the part where Obama was DIRECTLY talking to McCain ("you were wrong when you said we'd be greeted as liberators, that the war would be an 'easy' victory," etc.) and McCain wouldn't even look at him while he was speaking directly to him. It comes across really pathetic.

Axlin16

This is gonna be bad for McCain. It comes across as totally cocky. Not to mention he already has America thinking he's cocky with that whole "i'm suspending my campaign" stunt.

tejastech08

Here's the doozie folks:

Can't even look him in the eye when they shake hands. WTF?

Saikin

I heard this on the radio at work, and McCain made some valid points and had some good ideas, but Obama really started standing out as a presidential candidate. From the parts i heard, Obama handed McCain his own ass on a silver platter.

One part stood out about meeting with foreign leaders when McCain couldn't even get one name right and ended up saying it 3 or 4 different ways. Then McCain criticized Obama saying there has to be preconditions for talking with leaders. And Obama just said as president he would reserve the right to talk to anyone, anytime, at the place he chooses, the way he wants to. And goes on to give a great list of examples of where McCain's strategy has failed us in the recent past.

Great debate, i wish i could have watched it though, or at least heard more of it.

tejastech08

Saikin wrote:

I heard this on the radio at work, and McCain made some valid points and had some good ideas, but Obama really started standing out as a presidential candidate. From the parts i heard, Obama handed McCain his own ass on a silver platter.
One part stood out about meeting with foreign leaders when McCain couldn't even get one name right and ended up saying it 3 or 4 different ways. Then McCain criticized Obama saying there has to be preconditions for talking with leaders. And Obama just said as president he would reserve the right to talk to anyone, anytime, at the place he chooses, the way he wants to. And goes on to give a great list of examples of where McCain's strategy has failed us in the recent past.
Great debate, i wish i could have watched it though, or at least heard more of it.

Oh I think you'd laugh your ass off if you watched it after hearing the audio only. McCain never looked at Obama during the entire debate, including when they shook hands. Obama frequently looked at McCain, whether during his own attacks on McCain or McCain's attacks on him. Pretty awkward how McCain basically did not want to acknowledge Obama's presence in the room.

Saikin

From what i heard, it certainly sounded like that could have been the case. McCain seemed agravated and uncomfortable. He knew he was losing ,round slowing during the debate. At the beggining it was 50/50, but then the tables quickly turned.

Axlin16

On a points issue, McCain certaintly got some jabs in on Obama, and vice versa. I think it was a draw there.

But on presentation, Obama LOOKED LIKE AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT. McCain looked like... well... an Arizona senator running for re-election.

tejastech08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1rZBmk0DYU

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