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James
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Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President

James wrote:

If we're gonna use things supported by a candidate AFTER decisions were made, when I get home I'll post a long list we can add to Obama's non resume.

James
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Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President

James wrote:

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She has been quietly groomed for the presidency and now she has been unveiled.

If McCain loses this election, she will run for president in 2012(and win).

Communist China
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Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President

James you said 'this is playing out just like i thought it would if he picked Palin'... but, far as I can tell, nothing has happened yet. Nothing. Neither party has gained or lost a surprising lead in polls. No debates have been held (debates never happen as early as McCain wanted, thinking Obama will lose in a debate with the old man who still thinks Czechoslovakia exists is laughable), the RNC is yet to happen, no election has been held. All that's happened is pundits talking. The Obama camp hasn't done anything, what liberal talking heads say on CNN is not a representation of the Democratic party.

No one is panicking. No one is attacking other than cable news people, and that's all they ever do. Relax.

What change does the McCain/Palin ticket offer? You keep mocking Obama's message of change but how is this Republican ticket going to offer change? At best, they'll revert us back to the 1980s. Reagan is all you're able to bring up, but that isn't change. The majority of power lies with the president and McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time, that stat remains the same regardless of who's cheerleading for him (and you called her beautiful - I'd say borderline fuckable at best).

Obama may be called a 'tax and spend liberal', but the other tax and spend liberal we had in our past 4 presidents was also the only one with a budget surplus. Fiscal Conservatives have driven us into the ground with their crazy spending. Obama has made promises to go through government programs line by line and cut what needs to be cut, while taxing more yes, but even you said just months ago that increased taxing was necessary. We're in a big hole and Obama is the way out. McCain/Palin could be a great ticket in some points in history, but not now.

Axlin16
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Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President

Axlin16 wrote:

This is all ridiculous. Just lift the term-limit thing and i'll vote for Bush for a third time.




YEAH!

PaSnow
 Rep: 205 

Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President

PaSnow wrote:

^^ Amazingly, he'd probably still win. hmm

James
 Rep: 664 

Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President

James wrote:
Communist China wrote:

James you said 'this is playing out just like i thought it would if he picked Palin'... but, far as I can tell, nothing has happened yet. Nothing. Neither party has gained or lost a surprising lead in polls.

Like Pasnow, you're seeing the genius of the Palin pick without actually seeing it. The massive surge Obama was supposed to get from the "greatest convention ever" was stopped dead in its tracks by Palin.


No debates have been held (debates never happen as early as McCain wanted, thinking Obama will lose in a debate with the old man who still thinks Czechoslovakia exists is laughable)

Debates can happen whenever the candidates want them to. McCain offered to debate Obama anywhere at any time, and Obama declined. That's what's laughable.


No one is panicking. No one is attacking

The dems are out in full force all over cyberspace attacking Palin's character and calling her an idiot and other assorted names. Now thats "change" I can believe in.:thumbup:


What change does the McCain/Palin ticket offer? You keep mocking Obama's message of change

This is what I call the Obama trap and it will play a role in his defeat. The "change brigade" knows that it doesn't offer change, so it has to throw the change bullshit at the candidates who never even brought up change. You(not YOU but dems in general) cant even stick to your own mantra.

At best, they'll revert us back to the 1980s. Reagan is all you're able to bring up, but that isn't change.

You don't know the difference between Reagan style republican policies and the Neo-Cons?


The majority of power lies with the president and McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time

True, and the democratic congress has an almost identical track record of voting with Bush. Is that change?


you called her beautiful - I'd say borderline fuckable at best

You're 18. I'm 33. Whats borderline fuckable to you is grade A pussy to me.:laugh:


Obama may be called a 'tax and spend liberal', but the other tax and spend liberal we had in our past 4 presidents was also the only one with a budget surplus.

First thing- Clinton wasn't a typical tax and spend liberal. Second, that budget surplus was a mirage.


Obama has made promises to go through government programs line by line and cut what needs to be cut, while taxing more yes, but even you said just months ago that increased taxing was necessary.

Yeah there has to be a change in the current tax policy. No doubts there, and if McCain starts pushing that 'permanent tax cuts" bullshit, he's gonna have a rough go the rest of the way. What's going on now is not working. However, promises to go "line by line" isn't gonna cut it. He has to get more specific, but he wont. The change platform doesn't allow specifics because it shows that it isn't change.

McCain/Palin could be a great ticket in some points in history, but not now.

We most certainly agree here. I think this ticket would have been great in the aftermath of the Clinton era(2000-04). I agree that if McCain continues to align himself with Bush policies that he probably will not win(unless a major crisis happens before the election). Win or lose, I'm glad he chose Palin simply because she is on the national stage now. She will be a major player for the next 12-16 years.

PaSnow
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Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President

PaSnow wrote:
James Lofton wrote:

No debates have been held (debates never happen as early as McCain wanted, thinking Obama will lose in a debate with the old man who still thinks Czechoslovakia exists is laughable)

Debates can happen whenever the candidates want them to. McCain offered to debate Obama anywhere at any time, and Obama declined. That's what's laughable.

In Obama's defense, I'm pretty sure McCain challenged him to something like 10 debates?!  For one, Obama just got thru several Democratic debates, but more importantly 10 is wayyyy to much & I think people would be sick of both of them (which may have been McCains agenda on that, that people get sick of him). Beleive me, by the 3rd debate we'll be tired of them, I'll watch the first one, and definitely the VP one, but the 2nd & 3rd just might be alot more of the same., let alone another 7.

James
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Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President

James wrote:

Well, obviously ten debates is too much. McCain knew that Obama would refuse, so he used a dramatic number. This will bite Obama in the ass when its debate time. McCain will mention that. Obama supposedly loves town hall meetings, but refused town hall meetings with McCain. Smart.

James
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Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President

James wrote:

How Palin Will Help McCain


It's a big day for John McCain. It's a big day for Sarah Palin. And it's a big day for CNBC and Larry Kudlow of CNBC's Kudlow & Company. The vast majority of mainstream media hovered like flies around Tim Romnlenty (or is it Mitt Pawmney?). This is about the biggest case of received-wisdom-wrong-again in my memory. A small number of big-time media outlets were talking about Palin, and probably none of them was further out ahead on this one than Kudlow. Guys, take a victory lap. I may take one myself.

Now, what does it mean. It means that drill, drill, drill gets stronger. Sarah knows this stuff inside and out. She can back McCain in the defense of drilling, transporting and refining oil. She puts ANWR back on the map. Who knows it better than the governor of Alaska?

The delegates may have been unified last night, but the party isn't. Women feel dissed, and why shouldn't they? They went majority for Hillary. She lost largely because the party threw out the Michigan and Florida votes (until Obama was a foregone conclusion).

Forget this nonsense about how women are natural parts of the democratic party because it supports '˜equal pay' for '˜comparable' work. Women have become the emerging center of American entrepreneurship. They start business at twice the rate of men. I should know, I'm married to a brilliant lady entrepreneur (for whom I work). They know about capital gains taxes, and s-corporations. They sweat the details of payroll withholding taxes. They won't be easy to fool into believing that a hike in the top tax bracket won't really be a tax hike on entrepreneurs.

Also forget the nonsense about women and abortion. Women are by and large a more pro-life demographic than men. In fact the most pro-choice group is young, single men (gee, I wonder why?). Who better to make this case than Sarah Palin who just brought Trig into the world this past April, her beautiful little Down's Syndrome boy.

Add the Palin choice to the fact that the drilling moratorium ends roughly a month before the election, and you get an election that will largely be about, drill, drill, drill. Sounds pretty good to me.


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James
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Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President

James wrote:

What Sarah Brings


1.  It begins to close the energy gap. The biggest problem for the GOP this year is that Obama devotees were vastly more energized than McCain supporters. Even though polling looked close, the other side was more excited about their candidate. The Palin pick will help Republicans to catch up, exciting the party's base - particularly religious conservatives.


   2. It underscores the best issues for McCain - drilling for oil and cutting government waste. Palin's obviously an expert on energy production (taxpayers in her state get yearly government checks because of it) at the same time she's won credibility taking on big oil companies. She's also been tight-fisted (and veto prepared) when it comes to cutting spending.


   3. She emphasizes McCain's credibility as a reformer. She's clearly identified with the reform wing of the notoriously corrupt Alaska Republican Party. McCain owned the title 'reformer' in 2000 - with his talk of cleaning up lobbyist influence and special interests in Washington. No he should recapture the designation and make the most powerful and important point of this election cycle: you can't clean up government by expanding it. The only way to fight government corruption is to shrink government, not grow it. McCain and Palina re the right team to go to Washington to drain the swamp and give back the people's money - not to expand the bureaucracy with dozens of ambitious new federal programs.


   4. Palin allows Republicans to compete on the novelty front. One of Barack's biggest advantages has been the widespread sense of wonderment he inspires: 'I can't believe we can really elect a black guy on a national ticket!' Now McCainiacs can claim a miracle of our own, as we pinch our delirious selves: 'I can't believe we can really elect a woman on a national ticket - and a conservative woman at that!'


5. The choice should help to reassure grumblers on the right who have insisted that McCain isn't a 'real conservative.' For these folks, the Arizona Senator's lifetime rating of 82.3% from the American Conservative Union was never enough (Obama's number is 8%, and Biden's is 13%). Along with his pro-life, pro-gun, never-supported-a-tax increase voting record, McCain now shows that in the most important decision of his political career he reaches to the right, not to the center. Sure, he offered praise for his friends Lieberman and Ridge (talk is free, after all) but when it counted to define his legacy, to launch his administration, he selected one of the nation's most conservative governors - and a stalwart leader on the human life issue. More than anything else, this shows McCain's true political identity, and should reinforce his promise to appoint Justices like Alito and Roberts, Scalia and Thomas.


  6. Yes, this undermines McCain's future use of the experience issue, but that's almost certainly a good thing, too. The experience issue has never worked well in presidential elections: Gerald Ford tried it against a one-term Governor of Georgia (the worthless Jimmy Carter) and lost; Carter tried it against Reagan (no foreign policy experience as Governor of California!) and got wiped out; George H.W. Bush tried to make it stick against Bill Clinton and the result was the lowest percentage of the vote for a Republican candidate since Wiliam Howard Taft. The line McCain's been using 'He's Not Ready to Lead' is still viable - and should emphasize a discussion of Obama's policies, not his job history'”his radicalism, not his resume. Meanwhile, we should invite comparisons of Governor Palin's experience with Obama's: won't the PTA connect more with middle class voters than 'community organizer,' and property tax-cutting small town mayor count more than slippery State Senator who voted 'present' a disquieting proportion of the time. In any event, both tickets now balance experience with youthful energy - but McCain is balancing it the right way, with the experience at the top.


   7. The televised Vice Presidential Debate in October suddenly becomes an important media event, and offers more risks for Joe Biden than Sarah Palin. If the GOP had nominated a 'boring old white guy' (Romney, Lieberman, Ridge, or even Pawlenty'”who's not old) few viewers would have tuned in. The novelty of a young, attractive female taking on grizzled Joe Biden will give this debate special juice. The expectations for Palin are so low she should have no difficulty (if well prepared) in exceeding them. Moreover, Biden can't fire back contemptuously the way Lloyd Bentsen did against Dan Quayle because Palin is a sympathetic female. Republican Rick Lazio lost the Senatorial election against Hillary when he tried to be too tough and confrontational in the debate. Palin, on the other hand, can surprise the world by being as aggressive as possible against Biden --- after all, her nickname on her state championship high school basketball team (she was point guard) was 'Sarah Barracuda.'

On Sunday, along with the rest of the Republican world, I get on a plane to travel to St. Paul. Suddenly, my attitude toward the journey has become more than dutiful --- like so many others, I feel vastly more eager, pumped, energized, optimistic about the Republican Convention. In an election that's all about energy shortages and potential energy shortages, the Governor of Alaska has given the best possible birthday gift to John McCain.


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