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Re: The Reason Behind The Delay Of "Chinese Democracy"....?
I recall one of the Rock In Rio's where Axl dragged Beta onto stage and made this long speech about how much she helped him out, including with contracts and 'what a pain in the arse he could be about that'
Call me naive but I'm willing to believe the record is finished, but Axl is being a Diva and demanding all manner of things that the record company won't give into. Or, as someone else alluded to, they want to see some decent management behind the band before pushing ahead. I'm willing to bet that Beta and Del don't instill the greatest confidence in the execs who will want to make sure that the band make every effort to promote the record. You know, interviews and stuff, like Sebastian.
Ultimately though, for both sides there's $ involved and that alone probably means they'll reach a compromise at one point.
- Jimmy Zig Zag Bobiadis
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Re: The Reason Behind The Delay Of "Chinese Democracy"....?
Getting their money back on the investment has to be a huge concern with the way record sales are these days.
then again, if that money was spent on 4 albums worth of material, that works out to just over $3M per album. 
Re: The Reason Behind The Delay Of "Chinese Democracy"....?
Call me naive but I'm willing to believe the record is finished, but Axl is being a Diva and demanding all manner of things that the record company won't give into. Or, as someone else alluded to, they want to see some decent management behind the band before pushing ahead.
I find it hard to beleive that at this point in time that Axl is in any position to strong arm a label.
I'm willing to bet the vast majority of the alledged money that was invested by them into his project was between 10-15 years ago. Completely different landscape today. If I were the label I would have sropped putting money into this thing like 8-10 yaersago. Axl said most bands in a similar position don't spend the money on themusic wheras with him it all went towards it. In that case he's gotten enough.
- Jimmy Zig Zag Bobiadis
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Re: The Reason Behind The Delay Of "Chinese Democracy"....?
buzzsaw wrote:If they can't put out one album of material, the other 3 are useless.
And that is the total and complete bottom line.
well best case scenario (and this is in terms of money), they release 4 albums worth of material, it'd be much easier to make their money back.
and even if they aren't released, they might not be useless to Axl..
- bringbackadler
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Re: The Reason Behind The Delay Of "Chinese Democracy"....?
and even if they aren't released, they might not be useless to Axl..
True.
He may be able to release the music under his own name, or with another band in the future, if he is unable to put it out with his current band for whatever reason.
Hopefully that's not the case though.
bba
- Abbey_Road
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Re: The Reason Behind The Delay Of "Chinese Democracy"....?
Wow, how quickly some forget this bit of info:
Thursday, December 14th 2006
An open letter to our fans:
Guns N' Roses regrets to announce that the following concert tour dates have been cancelled:
January 10th Sacramento
January 11th Bakersfield
January 13th Reno
January 16th San Diego
Due to the schedule of these particular shows valuable time needed by the band and record company for the proper setup and release of the album Chinese Democracy would be lost. Rather than delay the album yet again all involved have decided to remove these shows from GNR's schedule. We sincerely hope our fans understand and we apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused anyone. Tickets may be refunded at local point of purchase.
To say the making of this album has been an unbearably long and incomprehensible journey would be an understatement. Overcoming the endless and seemingly insanity of the obstacles faced by all involved, not withstanding the emotional challenges endured by everyone: the fans, the band, our road crew and business team has at many times seemed for all like a bad dream where one wakes up only to find they are still in the nightmare and unfortunately this time it has been played out for over a decade in real life.
The true ongoing behind-the-scenes triumphs and casualties are much more complicated than any negative speculation that media or otherwise has managed to hit upon. For much of the time some form or another of legalities have been taking place that really the best way to deal with publicly was to keep our mouths shut in an attempt to ensure the best outcome and especially one that wouldn't jeopardize the band or the album. One can easily point to how others have done things or how they themselves feel that they would were they in the same situations but without full knowledge of the various dynamics and circumstances involved, again these types of comments or commentary are uninformed, outside, generally useless and often hindering speculation.
When I agreed to do our recent North American tour I agreed with the understanding that I and my manager Merck Mercuriadis were in full agreement as to our strategy, touring plans and most importantly that any and all things needed to release the album at the latest by Dec. 26th were to be in place. Unfortunately this turned out not to be the case and not only do I regret to say that again the album will not be released by the end of the year but that though many things went extremely well and were very exciting there were in our opinion unnecessary and avoidable complications on our tour having to do with the tour routing, scheduling and album and video plans that played hell on all involved especially our crew. This was compounded by an overall sense of a lack of respect by management for the band and crew and each individual's particular expertise that has resulted unfortunately in the end of both Guns and my relationship in having a management or sense of band involvement with Merck Mercuriadis.
In regard to a release date for the album itself certain minor and by that I do mean minor things and or additions as well as contract negotiations need to be completed and barring any unforeseen complications these things have now been adequately scheduled. Both the band and I along with our record company feel that this record deserves the proper setup and promotion not the '13 Tuesdays left' and 'it may just appear in your record store' approach offered by management. We believe this strategy may have been used in order for management to sell this latest tour to the various promoters. We feel that if this was so, this was obviously unfair to them. The stress of dealing with this situation has been considerable for everyone as well as to the band themselves as a whole but that this was more importantly in our opinion something utterly insane to do to our fans. Our apologies and please know we have been laboring over this with management for the entire North American tour.
It takes approximately 8 weeks for an album to hit the shelves once it has been turned in to the record company. For whatever reasons it appears it may have been mistakenly inferred by management that this could be condensed to three. That being said this is not a promise, a lie or a guarantee but we do wish to announce a tentative release date of March 6th. This is the first time we have done this publicly for this album. Any and all other dates have been made up by others for their own reasons. We would like to assure the fans that though tentative everything in our power will be done to meet this date. Once it is finalized and official you will be notified. If we are delayed for unseen reasons you will also be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible. We thank you for your patience.
In the end it's just an album and one that I, the band, our record company and all involved believe and feel is a true Guns N' Roses album. Ultimately the public will decide and regardless of the outcome our hearts, lives and our passion has been put into this project every step of the way. If for no other reason we feel those elements alone merit your consideration. We do hope you can hold on just a bit longer and if not we hope you would please feel free to take a break and we'll be more than glad (if you so choose) to see you again later.
Once again, our sincere apologies and our deepest thanks, Guns N' Roses would also like to thank all the fans who attended the 70 concerts in 21 different countries for their support in 2006. All the best to each and every one of you over this holiday season, thank-you and God bless.
Sincerely,
Axl Rose
SOURCE: HTGTH
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So Mysteron is the one who will tell us that the delay is now due to the Record Company? Sure. What happened to Axl's little statement telling us that we'd be notified and not by some mysterious friend of the band (aka Mysteron) but by the band itself or better yet by Axl himself?
Not buying what Mysteron says because it's been all over the internet prior to Mysteron saying this that the record company was in the way of the release. I first saw it on cd.com when a poster said he met Ron and Ron said something about record companies. It's also posted by Glen in that Axl Rose heights thread that the record company is holding up the release. Mysteron could of very well just read the boards and made his usual vague statement to appear that he is in the know.
When Uni says "hey we got CD and it is delayed due to x, y, and z" or if Axl says, "hey, I've turned in CD and now the record company has to make some decisions" then I'll believe it but not because Mysteron said it.
It'd be like if I said, "hey, the record company is holding up CD due to the color of the album sleeve" and then later Mysteron says "the record company is having problems choosing the album sleeve color".
Re: The Reason Behind The Delay Of "Chinese Democracy"....?
I haven't forgot Axl's statement. The 2007 tour was extremely hypocritical considering they supposedly canceled those shows to complete the album. They never should have been on a stage until the album was in stores.
- Jimmy Zig Zag Bobiadis
- Rep: 25
Re: The Reason Behind The Delay Of "Chinese Democracy"....?
they could have used those dates in January to work on the album. Supposedly it was in mixing by February, so I believe they were in the studio in January and I believe what Mysteron is saying.
