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- metallex78
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Re: The General and Monsters
I remain unconvinced these are newer versions with Slash and Duff - sounds distinctly nu-guns to me
No way. There are very distinct Slash licks in both these songs, and Robin doesn’t play in that style of at all.
That said, I’m still convinced that the outro of Monsters actually melds from Slash’s lead guitar, into some of Robin’s - the last 10-15 seconds of the track. It sounds like some of the stuff that Robin plays in Street of Dreams.
Re: The General and Monsters
Just random musings, not read the whole thread.
From O Globo, Axl interview, Jan 2001
"With 18 songs, the group's next album (they haven't released anything since 1993's "The Spaghetti Incident?") is a collection of songs, which in Axl's opinion are as good as "November Rain". Among them "Madagascar", included in the show on Sunday. The CD will include a tribute to John Lennon and another about child abuse"
So I'm guessing Monsters/Soul Monster(?) was written pre 2001
Also, could Elvis and the Monster of Soul be Me and my Elvis, and Soul Monster as one song. I don't know if that works
- Shacklermyrye
- Rep: 14
Re: The General and Monsters
Just random musings, not read the whole thread.
From O Globo, Axl interview, Jan 2001
"With 18 songs, the group's next album (they haven't released anything since 1993's "The Spaghetti Incident?") is a collection of songs, which in Axl's opinion are as good as "November Rain". Among them "Madagascar", included in the show on Sunday. The CD will include a tribute to John Lennon and another about child abuse"
So I'm guessing Monsters/Soul Monster(?) was written pre 2001
Also, could Elvis and the Monster of Soul be Me and my Elvis, and Soul Monster as one song. I don't know if that works
I'd say The General is the one about child abuse. I always thought it didn't have vocals at that time because when Belltrami worked on it in October of 02 it was an instrumental, but the song being about abuse & being mentioned in January of 01 suggests that it may have had lyrics at that point after all.
Maybe he just had not recorded them yet, or maybe they were already done and he just chose to take the instrumentals to Beltrami. Either way this points to the song existing in the year 2000, which is 2 years earlier than we had proof of before.
- dave-gnfnr
- Rep: 16
Re: The General and Monsters
I remain unconvinced these are newer versions with Slash and Duff - sounds distinctly nu-guns to me
Monsters music sounds like VR stuff, the bass is just like slither.
Re: The General and Monsters
jimmythegent wrote:I remain unconvinced these are newer versions with Slash and Duff - sounds distinctly nu-guns to me
Monsters music sounds like VR stuff, the bass is just like slither.
This is pretty undeniable. It's like Duff went over to his rack and turned the knob to Slither setting. I'm glad the bass didn't get burried in the mix.
Re: The General and Monsters
sp1at wrote:Just random musings, not read the whole thread.
From O Globo, Axl interview, Jan 2001
"With 18 songs, the group's next album (they haven't released anything since 1993's "The Spaghetti Incident?") is a collection of songs, which in Axl's opinion are as good as "November Rain". Among them "Madagascar", included in the show on Sunday. The CD will include a tribute to John Lennon and another about child abuse"
So I'm guessing Monsters/Soul Monster(?) was written pre 2001
Also, could Elvis and the Monster of Soul be Me and my Elvis, and Soul Monster as one song. I don't know if that works
I'd say The General is the one about child abuse. I always thought it didn't have vocals at that time because when Belltrami worked on it in October of 02 it was an instrumental, but the song being about abuse & being mentioned in January of 01 suggests that it may have had lyrics at that point after all.
Maybe he just had not recorded them yet, or maybe they were already done and he just chose to take the instrumentals to Beltrami. Either way this points to the song existing in the year 2000, which is 2 years earlier than we had proof of before.
Cool. It sounds like 18 songs were done, or existed in some way at this point. I suppose if Brain joined in late 2000, that's a quick turnaround for a song.
I was actually going back to look at Oklahoma. There were sessions in 95/96, then it sounds like Axl did no more vocals until Youth joined in 98/99, then Dave Dominguez came, short stay, then Sean Beavan. There was mention somewhere that pre-CD songs will get carried forward, so I'm just interested in that sense
Re: The General and Monsters
Shacklermyrye wrote:sp1at wrote:Just random musings, not read the whole thread.
From O Globo, Axl interview, Jan 2001
"With 18 songs, the group's next album (they haven't released anything since 1993's "The Spaghetti Incident?") is a collection of songs, which in Axl's opinion are as good as "November Rain". Among them "Madagascar", included in the show on Sunday. The CD will include a tribute to John Lennon and another about child abuse"
So I'm guessing Monsters/Soul Monster(?) was written pre 2001
Also, could Elvis and the Monster of Soul be Me and my Elvis, and Soul Monster as one song. I don't know if that works
I'd say The General is the one about child abuse. I always thought it didn't have vocals at that time because when Belltrami worked on it in October of 02 it was an instrumental, but the song being about abuse & being mentioned in January of 01 suggests that it may have had lyrics at that point after all.
Maybe he just had not recorded them yet, or maybe they were already done and he just chose to take the instrumentals to Beltrami. Either way this points to the song existing in the year 2000, which is 2 years earlier than we had proof of before.
Cool. It sounds like 18 songs were done, or existed in some way at this point. I suppose if Brain joined in late 2000, that's a quick turnaround for a song.
I was actually going back to look at Oklahoma. There were sessions in 95/96, then it sounds like Axl did no more vocals until Youth joined in 98/99, then Dave Dominguez came, short stay, then Sean Beavan. There was mention somewhere that pre-CD songs will get carried forward, so I'm just interested in that sense
From those 95/96/97 sessions we know Oklahoma, Ides of March, maybe Hardskool? On the later ones and nothing more and we know Oklahoma exist only as an instrumental because of an 2000 article of Rolling Stone if I don't remember bad so maybe vocals were not put on those sessions
- dave-gnfnr
- Rep: 16
Re: The General and Monsters
Shacklermyrye wrote:sp1at wrote:Just random musings, not read the whole thread.
From O Globo, Axl interview, Jan 2001
"With 18 songs, the group's next album (they haven't released anything since 1993's "The Spaghetti Incident?") is a collection of songs, which in Axl's opinion are as good as "November Rain". Among them "Madagascar", included in the show on Sunday. The CD will include a tribute to John Lennon and another about child abuse"
So I'm guessing Monsters/Soul Monster(?) was written pre 2001
Also, could Elvis and the Monster of Soul be Me and my Elvis, and Soul Monster as one song. I don't know if that works
I'd say The General is the one about child abuse. I always thought it didn't have vocals at that time because when Belltrami worked on it in October of 02 it was an instrumental, but the song being about abuse & being mentioned in January of 01 suggests that it may have had lyrics at that point after all.
Maybe he just had not recorded them yet, or maybe they were already done and he just chose to take the instrumentals to Beltrami. Either way this points to the song existing in the year 2000, which is 2 years earlier than we had proof of before.
Cool. It sounds like 18 songs were done, or existed in some way at this point. I suppose if Brain joined in late 2000, that's a quick turnaround for a song.
I was actually going back to look at Oklahoma. There were sessions in 95/96, then it sounds like Axl did no more vocals until Youth joined in 98/99, then Dave Dominguez came, short stay, then Sean Beavan. There was mention somewhere that pre-CD songs will get carried forward, so I'm just interested in that sense
Appetite for Distortion did an interview with Sean Beavan, and I think he said when he left not many vocals were done at that point.
