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- mister saint laurent
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So i confess my knowledge of records is slim (i grew up with cassette's and CD's) but if this is right...
7" Records (often referred to as 45's) can be cut at 45 RPM or 33 1/3 RPM. When cut at 33 1/3 you can hold approximately 6:00 minutes per side. When cut at 45 you can hold approximately 4:30 minutes per side. These numbers are not set in stone, just a suggested maximum. Going over these suggestions can result in a loss of sound quality. https://www.urpressing.com/7-inch/
That means The General is probably under 6 min.
November Rain was obviously a big hit single and released on vinyl around the world back in 1992. It's an 8 minute and 53 second song, but was released as 45rpm in most markets. A few released it in 33 1/3rpm.
I believe the US, UK, Germany and France were 45rpm and Spain and Australia were 33 1/3rpm.
- Shacklermyrye
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Shacklermyrye wrote:So i confess my knowledge of records is slim (i grew up with cassette's and CD's) but if this is right...
7" Records (often referred to as 45's) can be cut at 45 RPM or 33 1/3 RPM. When cut at 33 1/3 you can hold approximately 6:00 minutes per side. When cut at 45 you can hold approximately 4:30 minutes per side. These numbers are not set in stone, just a suggested maximum. Going over these suggestions can result in a loss of sound quality. https://www.urpressing.com/7-inch/
That means The General is probably under 6 min.
November Rain was obviously a big hit single and released on vinyl around the world back in 1992. It's an 8 minute and 53 second song, but was released as 45rpm in most markets. A few released it in 33 1/3rpm.
I believe the US, UK, Germany and France were 45rpm and Spain and Australia were 33 1/3rpm.
Ahh I see, thanks. Like i say records not really my area. As far as i'm concerned The General could be an hour long and I'd probably be happy.
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Shacklermyrye wrote:So i confess my knowledge of records is slim (i grew up with cassette's and CD's) but if this is right...
7" Records (often referred to as 45's) can be cut at 45 RPM or 33 1/3 RPM. When cut at 33 1/3 you can hold approximately 6:00 minutes per side. When cut at 45 you can hold approximately 4:30 minutes per side. These numbers are not set in stone, just a suggested maximum. Going over these suggestions can result in a loss of sound quality. https://www.urpressing.com/7-inch/
That means The General is probably under 6 min.
November Rain was obviously a big hit single and released on vinyl around the world back in 1992. It's an 8 minute and 53 second song, but was released as 45rpm in most markets. A few released it in 33 1/3rpm.
I believe the US, UK, Germany and France were 45rpm and Spain and Australia were 33 1/3rpm.
If the general is over 6min long I'm sure the vinyl version will be a radio edit or something with a truncated intro. I mean judging by the old show intro that alone takes up 2ish minutes. If the full intro survived release, I'm sure it'll have it on streaming.
- carlossacanell
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I remember The General had a lot of mentions and Axl or other members talked about it. Can anyone remind me what they said and what we know about the song, please? Cause i remember there was a part of OPERA in the song or something like that... but i´m confused
- mister saint laurent
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If the general is over 6min long I'm sure the vinyl version will be a radio edit or something with a truncated intro. I mean judging by the old show intro that alone takes up 2ish minutes. If the full intro survived release, I'm sure it'll have it on streaming.
It's the full 8m 53s LP version of November Rain on all the 7" singles back in the day.
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- Shacklermyrye
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I remember The General had a lot of mentions and Axl or other members talked about it. Can anyone remind me what they said and what we know about the song, please? Cause i remember there was a part of OPERA in the song or something like that... but i´m confused
"GN'R was sort of just work for hire . I met with Axl and he played me these songs, asked me my ideas about them, and I told him what I thought they needed. They gave me four songs to orchestrate. A song called 'Seven,' which is the one I actually wrote a guitar part on. There was one called 'Thyme,' one called 'The General,' one called 'Leave Me Alone.'" (Marco Beltrami, IGN, 07/20/03) he worked on the songs in October of 2002.
“One of my favorite songs - I asked axl if I could mention the song titles and he said "fine"--and one of my favorite songs is this song called "the general" which is so, it's by far the heaviest metal tune I think i've ever heard axl do, this slow grinding riff with these high piercing vocals, screaming vocals. I was like , when is this coming out? and he said "2012" I was like dude, you're killing me! He goes, "well this comes out on the third record. it relates to this song, it's a trilogy, this goes with this lyrically." he's got it all figured out, he's just different than other people. he does things in his own time, in his own way, but you know...the worlds not prepared for what i've heard from this guy. It's got the grandness and the epic-ness of November rain but with the snarl, the attitude of appetite. because the album that i've heard, a lot of the drumming is by brain, who plays so heavy and mean. it's really...grand is the word for it, but it’s still got that attitude.(Sebastian Bach Metal Edge Magazine 2007)
Umm... I don't know... last year Brain had this song called 'the General' that was really cool... and another song called "we were lying [not sure if that's the name he said]" ... I don't know. (Dizzy Reed, Sp1at, January 2006)
"Yes I wrote the general! Not sure if bucket or robin are on it... It will have to be a surprise!!! (Brain)
"You may have heard parts of it somewhere".(Axl Rose, chinesedemocracy.com, Dec. 2008)
The band played a gig in Vienna in 2010. After the show there was a party at The Box in Vienna, this was covered for Fashion TV, who filmed band members essentially promoting the channel and a line of drinks it seems to have/had, vodka ect.I don't know if money changed hands but it would seem that the channel/company laid on fancy cars, models and the club so that GN'R could uphold there side of things and promote Fashion TV. Axl mentioned "all these girls'' at the show so they were obviously in attendance there too.
Bumblefoot was actually sick for this show according to his facebook so the fact he was at the aftershow promoting this stuff indicates that he may have been contractually obliged to do so. In addition to Bumblefoot, Fortus, Ashba, Pittman, Ferrar, Stinson & Dizzy were there, so essentially the full lineup of the day with the exception of Axl. Who if he was there must not have wanted to appear on video.
Michel Adam Lisowski a Polish businessman is the President and sole owner of Fashion TV was seen partying with the band. At this show unreleased songs were played on the sound system at the club. Among them was what seemed to be a complete sounding version of The General. This is where the cell phone clip of The General and Silworms came from.
The Opera thing is more than likely nonsense. I found on the wayback archive a few months ago the original place that started. It was said Sarah Brightman sang on the song, and that she was interviewed about it in Opera magazine in October 2003. I found a copy of the magazine and there's nothing in it.
- carlossacanell
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carlossacanell wrote:I remember The General had a lot of mentions and Axl or other members talked about it. Can anyone remind me what they said and what we know about the song, please? Cause i remember there was a part of OPERA in the song or something like that... but i´m confused
"GN'R was sort of just work for hire . I met with Axl and he played me these songs, asked me my ideas about them, and I told him what I thought they needed. They gave me four songs to orchestrate. A song called 'Seven,' which is the one I actually wrote a guitar part on. There was one called 'Thyme,' one called 'The General,' one called 'Leave Me Alone.'" (Marco Beltrami, IGN, 07/20/03) he worked on the songs in October of 2002.
“One of my favorite songs - I asked axl if I could mention the song titles and he said "fine"--and one of my favorite songs is this song called "the general" which is so, it's by far the heaviest metal tune I think i've ever heard axl do, this slow grinding riff with these high piercing vocals, screaming vocals. I was like , when is this coming out? and he said "2012" I was like dude, you're killing me! He goes, "well this comes out on the third record. it relates to this song, it's a trilogy, this goes with this lyrically." he's got it all figured out, he's just different than other people. he does things in his own time, in his own way, but you know...the worlds not prepared for what i've heard from this guy. It's got the grandness and the epic-ness of November rain but with the snarl, the attitude of appetite. because the album that i've heard, a lot of the drumming is by brain, who plays so heavy and mean. it's really...grand is the word for it, but it’s still got that attitude.(Sebastian Bach Metal Edge Magazine 2007)
Umm... I don't know... last year Brain had this song called 'the General' that was really cool... and another song called "we were lying [not sure if that's the name he said]" ... I don't know. (Dizzy Reed, Sp1at, January 2006)"Yes I wrote the general! Not sure if bucket or robin are on it... It will have to be a surprise!!! (Brain)
"You may have heard parts of it somewhere".(Axl Rose, chinesedemocracy.com, Dec. 2008)
The band played a gig in Vienna in 2010. After the show there was a party at The Box in Vienna, this was covered for Fashion TV, who filmed band members essentially promoting the channel and a line of drinks it seems to have/had, vodka ect.I don't know if money changed hands but it would seem that the channel/company laid on fancy cars, models and the club so that GN'R could uphold there side of things and promote Fashion TV. Axl mentioned "all these girls'' at the show so they were obviously in attendance there too.
Bumblefoot was actually sick for this show according to his facebook so the fact he was at the aftershow promoting this stuff indicates that he may have been contractually obliged to do so. In addition to Bumblefoot, Fortus, Ashba, Pittman, Ferrar, Stinson & Dizzy were there, so essentially the full lineup of the day with the exception of Axl. Who if he was there must not have wanted to appear on video.
Michel Adam Lisowski a Polish businessman is the President and sole owner of Fashion TV was seen partying with the band. At this show unreleased songs were played on the sound system at the club. Among them was what seemed to be a complete sounding version of The General. This is where the cell phone clip of The General and Silworms came from.The Opera thing is more than likely nonsense. I found on the wayback archive a few months ago the original place that started. It was said Sarah Brightman sang on the song, and that she was interviewed about it in Opera magazine in October 2003. I found a copy of the magazine and there's nothing in it.
HAHAHA Thanks so much mate. You are better than chatgpt or Bard 
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Truly amazing!
Perhaps it's my fever talking, but wouldn't it be great if they WON'T release it on streaming platforms, just to amplify the buzz.. and then all of us 7" buyer will rush out to our devices and to hear...
a quite 3 minutes? 
I'll see myself out now
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Here’s the Discogs entry for all formats of “November Rain”:
