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James wrote:The entire planet needed to go into a hard lockdown the nanosecond China did before it spread across the globe.
We did nothing those first couple months. The moment it went political was a sign that the West is now incapable of handling a crisis of such magnitude.
No. Lockdowns did dick. We were told we were going to “flatten the curve” and we did that. People in Oklahoma didn’t need to lockdown in early February when the virus wasn’t within 1k miles.
This virus is killing those who were already going to die. The idea of the healthy, young person being struck down from this is as rare as the flu.
Chinese lockdowns weren’t allowing their citizens to goto Wal-mart for essentials. The media was condemning Americans for having an outdoor bbq on Memorial Day. Then George Floyd happened and rioting and mass protest became fashionable in the warmer months. The medical professionals condemned the lock down protests, but were on record refusing to condemn the rioting. You can’t tell people to hide indoors and then celebrate bored 20-somethings looting footlocker because a drug addict in declining health thousands of miles away was mistreated by the police.
You can’t have the NFL playing a ducking Wednesday game 6 days late due to COVID breakouts and tell people to hide indoors.
More blacks have been murdered in Pittsburgh in 2020 than people under 70 have died from COVID. Im sure that’s a very similar statistic in other major cities as well. Yet where is the outrage being guided by the media? Who benefits from a population that honestly believes wearing a piece of cloth they haven’t washed in weeks is protecting them from a virus you need an electron microscope to see? Meanwhile every political leader has been caught on camera at a hair salon maskless or drinking a glass of wine at a crowded table. Or fucking fauci maskless at a baseball game.
You’ve created a new Karen culture that feels morally superior because they drive with a mask on alone in their car.
Isolate the elderly and you stop Covid. That’s how you solve this. But no one wants to do that because it’s not popular. Tell the sickly and weak to stay inside and avoid the Chinese buffet. That solves COVID.
We just had a record day of over 1200 new cases in Pittsburgh! And the ICU bed usage is barely over 10%. 80% of the dead are in nursing homes, where we send people to die. The rest are almost entirely those over 70 with multiple comorbidities.
Lock downs destroy businesses and ruin people’s lives. It’s not something that should be done to thunderous applause and eye fucking from the pundits.
businesses are more important than people...got it...
see the problem will always be that when people start believing that's true they start feeling like slaves...the essential workers we forced back to work for shit wages, no health insurance and no back up...
they've been backed into a corner and are now so desperate that they'll take any deal you offer them.
So...whatever man...you love your corporations...we get it...
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Canada was in lockdown from march until june (when they started easing restrictions) ... usa did what 2 weeks? People here have started becoming complacent and now our cases are creeping up...like 6.5k per day nation wide compared to USA at like 245k per day? Our goverment is starting to lock down cities again (my city will prolly lock down again tomorrow) and usa pretends like nothing is wrong...lets blame the elderly and china and who
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Had Trump come out the gates pro-mask, the other side would've been anti-mask....or do you really believe countless millions who hate him would have all of a sudden started supporting his stance?
Our hyper-partisan culture played a big role in this nightmare.
Yes, because he would have had people like Fauci and Blix behind him as support who could explain why wearing a mask would reduce the spread. This one is on Trump and Trump alone. He chose to not wear a mask/that tact. Even Mitch McConnell said at some point in the summer "wear a mask, social distance". Wearing a mask is not a partisan issue at all. Trump chose that hill to die on, he'll own it and blame no one else.
As far as the lockdown thing goes, the USA is just full of selfish idiots. And LOL at Randall's post, so full of inaccuracies.
- monkeychow
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The idea that lockdowns don't work doesn't mesh with the Australian experience at all.
I live in a city of 5 million people. Virus was ramping up every day.
When we got to a point where 800 people were catching it a day, the government drew a line and implemented a severe lockdown for months. When we re-opened it was mandatory to wear masks outside your home all the time - and inside the home if you had visitors from another household.
They've only recently scaled some of the mask wearing back - now it's compulsory at the mall or shops, and in any situation where you wont be able to keep 1.5m distance from others - but you can walk your dog and stuff without them again.
How did this work out?
Well we now have 0 Cases, 0 Active Cases, and 0 Deaths per day in my entire state. Occasionally we get a handful of cases from people in quarantine returning from overseas etc - but we currently have zero community transmission.
This happened because of masks and lockdowns. It's fucked up for the economy, and it sucks while you have to do it - but it straight up works.
It's a real shame that this got turned into a political game (and I blame both sides for that) in the United States.
Really the health emergency could have been a chance for some actual bipartisan co-operation that would have been in everyone's best interests. Left and Right could have come together and worked out what needed to be done and save the games for all the other topics.
But now we face a world where the western world is in a shambles, and I worry about the longer term outcomes.
- Smoking Guns
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One thing is Canada’s numbers and Australia’s are low but also have a tenth of the US population. I have been lucky not to get it and have not missed a day of work. I have been fortunate.
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One thing is Canada’s numbers and Australia’s are low but also have a tenth of the US population. I have been lucky not to get it and have not missed a day of work. I have been fortunate.
Still California's population is similar to Canada and california had 45k infections yesterday...drastic measures need to be taken down there...the vaccine isnt going to be some kind of miracle solution (a large percentage of Americans will probably refuse it anyhow)
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Smoking Guns wrote:One thing is Canada’s numbers and Australia’s are low but also have a tenth of the US population. I have been lucky not to get it and have not missed a day of work. I have been fortunate.
Still California's population is similar to Canada and california had 45k infections yesterday...drastic measures need to be taken down there...the vaccine isnt going to be some kind of miracle solution (a large percentage of Americans will probably refuse it anyhow)
Don’t waste your breath on the science deniers. They will find every conceivable excuse to downplay and undermine what actually works.
What it boils down to is what was said just a few posts ago. A deep rooted selfishness and a complete lack of consideration for anyone else. The truth is they know that they are not in the high-risk categories and they don’t give a fuck if they are not personally and directly affected.
Americans are extremely selfish people
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James wrote:Had Trump come out the gates pro-mask, the other side would've been anti-mask....or do you really believe countless millions who hate him would have all of a sudden started supporting his stance?
Our hyper-partisan culture played a big role in this nightmare.
Yes, because he would have had people like Fauci and Blix behind him as support who could explain why wearing a mask would reduce the spread. This one is on Trump and Trump alone. He chose to not wear a mask/that tact. Even Mitch McConnell said at some point in the summer "wear a mask, social distance". Wearing a mask is not a partisan issue at all. Trump chose that hill to die on, he'll own it and blame no one else.
As far as the lockdown thing goes, the USA is just full of selfish idiots. And LOL at Randall's post, so full of inaccuracies.
I still think Trump's stupid stance on masks cost him the election. He openly mocked people wearing them, refused to take questions from reporters who wore them, held rallies where no one wore them.... And then he caught it. The moron panicked over the economy, and decided to take the advice of Mort Goldberg, toupee king of Brooklyn, over hot dogs at the golf club than the people telling him to be calm, lay out a coherent strategy and advocate for masks.
