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- Smoking Guns
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Re: Current Events Thread
Smoking Guns wrote:They have found votes in 3 counties so far in Georgia. All in favor of trump. Hmmm
And votes in other counties in favor of Biden. Dude it’s over. Trump lost. It was a fair election, no evidence of fraud. No way he’s making up 14k in Georgia or tens of thousands anywhere else. He’s done, and he knows it.
It was a valuable exercise to see in one state alone how they have already missed what, 7,000 votes? This is why this recount needed to happen. Everyone always says “at most you get a few dozen votes” yeah right.
- Smoking Guns
- Rep: 330
- Smoking Guns
- Rep: 330
Re: Current Events Thread
BLS-Pride wrote:mitchejw wrote:Yup that’s a trump supporter right there...
I’m a spoiled American who doesn’t give a shit about immigrants even if my mom and dad were immigrants.
I actually agree with IDs post. Hispanics are usually just how he described. At least the many that I have known and grew up with plus the few who work for me. Who the 3 were actually Trump supporters. Those are the numbers, Trump did do better with voters of color than he did previously. I dont see what the big hoopla is about. The right gain votes that were typically the left.
Amd no, I did not vote for Trump, nor am I a Republican. Im an independent.
My problem is that he amplified a tick in one direction and minimized a tick in the other direction. It's like the white, college vote doesn't matter BUT look at this minor tick in the Republican direction for Trump in the state of Texas...TEXAS?!
Talk about cherry picking stats.
It is a big deal. Means they don’t give a fvck about open borders and daca, they respect rule of law and what Trump is selling
Re: Current Events Thread
mitchejw wrote:BLS-Pride wrote:I actually agree with IDs post. Hispanics are usually just how he described. At least the many that I have known and grew up with plus the few who work for me. Who the 3 were actually Trump supporters. Those are the numbers, Trump did do better with voters of color than he did previously. I dont see what the big hoopla is about. The right gain votes that were typically the left.
Amd no, I did not vote for Trump, nor am I a Republican. Im an independent.
My problem is that he amplified a tick in one direction and minimized a tick in the other direction. It's like the white, college vote doesn't matter BUT look at this minor tick in the Republican direction for Trump in the state of Texas...TEXAS?!
Talk about cherry picking stats.
It is a big deal. Means they don’t give a fvck about open borders and daca, they respect rule of law and what Trump is selling
lol rule of law...except when it comes to extorting other countries for federal aid, profiting from government cash on your private businesses, screaming fraud when an election doesn't go your way...
that rule of law?
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Re: Current Events Thread
PaSnow wrote:misterID wrote:We are really looking at the reality of democrats losing the Hispanic community. What's ironic is that they were who Dems were going to use to seize control of the presidency and both houses by turning Texas blue, the way they turned California blue: illegal immigration. But the generational shift completely blew up in their faces.
Hispanic Americans are largely conservative-religious, patriotic, capitalist, and against illegal immigration. Another twist? Not only did Trump attract more black men, but also Muslims, which Dems lost. Once the second-third generations became more Americanized, distancing away from their parents and grandparents experience, immigration became less important and individual freedom and American idealism became more important. They embraced what affluent, college educated, and overwhelmingly white liberals took for granted: being American.
The only gains dems made are college educated whites.
I found this a good post. GOP kinda found a niche in an anti-uber liberal & free everything folks, as well as latino vote in some areas. I think you're black men & Muslims probably needs clarification. More than what, than he got in 2016? Low is low, an increase from 3.5 to 4.2 or something is negligible.
Anyway that aside, yeah the Dems possibly overreached again. Remember in 2016 John Kasich said on the debate stage 'You know, we're up here running for President and talking about what bathrooms people can use" and if you remember, thats the country we were back then. And immigration, I think 2 races now have proven completely open borders and cozying up to illegals isn't gaining new votes. On the flip side tho trump 'lost in a landslide' that he claimed Hillary lost in, so his build a wall and lock them up in cages likely wasn't a winner either.
With Pelosi on her way out soon, or at least likely soon time to give up SOTH, they need a new identity. Hope they realize AOC isn't it. She wins NYC & the NY/National media, but there's about 40 or so other states who aren't lock step in her thinking.
I agree with this a lot. Taking it further, Democrats SUCK at messaging. I mean just one of the ones they used: "defund the police". That one is horrible on multiple fronts, even if you agree with the BLM movement. They need to find one who can articulate what they stand for is a simple and concise manner. They go into nuance or have 2-3 different people talking into different things and have these inter-faction battles over whatever.
Conversely, look at the Republicans, once they want to get something done/message to send to the public. They are almost in unison and you know what their viewpoint is (even if you disagree with it).
I'd like clarification of the OP because it seems to me that there is a significant downplay, if not intentional down grading of the college educated vote.
In addition, we're still talking about significant margins in the Dems favor...2 or 3 points in (in one specific demo) Trump's favor is really nothing special. The message here is super over blown. And still, I point to this being one data point in one election in one state that overall went a few points in the Dems direction.
So out of all that...the OP picked out one very strange statistic out of all the above. I find it obnoxious...and misinforming.
Re: Current Events Thread
My main point is that republicans did good this election in spite of Trump. He didn't do terrible with Muslims in 16, he just did better with them now. And really, if republicans want to win, they have to offer black voters and Hispanics what they have in the Democratic party: a voice and power. They don't have to win the black vote, but just enough of it. Where I see a positive, the younger Republican party is more inclusive (Trump voters were overwhelmingly supportive of gay rights when polled, which shocked the shit out of me when I read that). The republicans who were just elected were majority female and minorities this election. And a good portion embraced public/private partnerships (operation warp speed, for example) that the Paul Ryan GOP never, ever would have.
The other positive is that the election was also a rebuke of the squad/Bernie sector and pretty much emboldened the centrists to speak up and say, "see, we were right. And you need us." Clyburn even spoke on this. I see these things as positives. Biden can work with this.
Re: Current Events Thread
I don't know what I'm downplaying. Between the two groups, college educated whites are not a big group. In the suburbs, especially women, were turned off by Trump. How does that play going forward? I don't know think we've wrapped our head around d the Trump vote;who voted specifically for Trump instead of party, and who voted specifically against Trump instead of party.
Re: Current Events Thread
I don't know what I'm downplaying. Between the two groups, college educated whites are not a big group. In the suburbs, especially women, were turned off by Trump. How does that play going forward? I don't know think we've wrapped our head around d the Trump vote;who voted specifically for Trump instead of party, and who voted specifically against Trump instead of party.
I agree with you here. They (Repubs) won seats in the House and Senate when they were expected to be losses. That surprised me. That means part of their message is still resonating with voters. You have to figure which part appeals to which sector/demo, which is interesting. Most likely it was a split ticket, voted against Trump but with the party.
Re: Current Events Thread
My main point is that republicans did good this election in spite of Trump. He didn't do terrible with Muslims in 16, he just did better with them now. And really, if republicans want to win, they have to offer black voters and Hispanics what they have in the Democratic party: a voice and power. They don't have to win the black vote, but just enough of it. Where I see a positive, the younger Republican party is more inclusive (Trump voters were overwhelmingly supportive of gay rights when polled, which shocked the shit out of me when I read that). The republicans who were just elected were majority female and minorities this election. And a good portion embraced public/private partnerships (operation warp speed, for example) that the Paul Ryan GOP never, ever would have.
The other positive is that the election was also a rebuke of the squad/Bernie sector and pretty much emboldened the centrists to speak up and say, "see, we were right. And you need us." Clyburn even spoke on this. I see these things as positives. Biden can work with this.
I get what you're saying. The Dems were expecting a landslide, which didn't happen. I agree the acab, defund the police, and free everything (college) is a losing proposition. They need to rethink things. GOP was really getting nervous about their entire platform falling apart this election and needing major reform when, it turns out, viola it all fell gently into their lap.
