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I don't think trump makes it to election day. Yesterday, was a MASSIVE pivot on cornavirus and masks. And this president NEVER pivots!
Someone got to him about how bad this winter may become, and that it really needs attention, direction, and something needs to be done. I bet he was predicting on restarting the riots to divert attention from covid, which is why he wanted to send in federal agents to multiple northern, urban cities, since covid is mostly down south. There haven't been protests in Philly in over a month. I don't think NYC has had them either for some time.
Someone talked him out of that. I think ppl were prepared to quit & out him over it.
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Biden will be PINO. President in Name Only. He may make some big picture decisions, like healthcare, or sanctions & relations etc. sit in on briefings etc. But for the most part, he'll just be a thumbs up/thumbs down or yes/no guy.
Personally, I think he has early stages of dimentia/parkinsons. In 4 years he definitely won't be running for re-election.
Maybe all this is true...but trump looks far worse and is as just incoherent in my opinion. This is what happens when two super old people go at it.
I think it’s ridiculous to think there’s any major difference between these two in health.
Trump is so fuckin fat. At least joe looks physically fit...if not mentally.
However, i continue to disregard any comments about mental faculties....trump is Biden’s equal in that category.
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mitchejw wrote:buzzsaw wrote:LOL - you calling someone slanderous and a liar when all you do is tell people they said something they never said. You are the king of irony.
I am having a great day...couldn't have gone better. Thanks for your support!
Pot meet kettle...
Have a nice day buzz
The difference between you and me son is that I call it like it is; you call it like you want it to be and attack anyone who has the nerve not to share your vision. You are a triggered liberal and nothing more. The only lies you can catch me on are the ones where you make up what you think/wish I said only to be corrected with what I actually said. But then, you never let the truth stop you from posting, do you?
Lol son...guy thinks he’s stone cold Steve Austin...
I ain’t your son...just your superior...
Have a nice day!
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So we went from certain death to now it's just the flu. Noted. For months it was death, death, death - we're all going to die if we don't shut the world down. Now it's meh, it's just another flu like H1N1 was eventually considered to be.
I haven't taken a sick day since my appendix burst over 20 years ago. If I survived that, trust me my immune system is (or at least was before we were forced to stay in) quite strong. I work from home, so it's no big deal to work when I have the flu. I'm far more worried about what happens if my wife gets this (though we believe she had it last year) than I am if I get it.
I wasn't scared of how many people died this time around...I don't think you're suddenly going to scare me by lumping in the flu/pneumonia deaths with it. People die every year. Almost all of them are immuno-compromised. Why am I going to be scared next year when I know it's coming? I don't watch MSM. Not CNN, not Fox, not whatever other thing you want to throw in unless NBC News is on while cooking dinner after running over from the local news. It's all bullshit and I don't care what their latest fear-mongering reports are. I'm just not interested. So safe to assume the fear level will be low. Thanks for your concern though.
Protect the at risk. I've been saying it since day one and I'll continue to say it. All the data says it. Yes, random people outside of that die occasionally. We will all die eventually. Live life to the fullest; enjoy what you have. If you live your whole life afraid, you're not really living. That doesn't mean be reckless, it just means don't stop living out of fear.
Almost 150,000 dead Americans and you still haven't gotten a clue. We'll be at 200-250k by the fall I'd imagine, sadly.
Our country is in the mess it's in now precisely because of "thinking" like this.
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I don't think trump makes it to election day. Yesterday, was a MASSIVE pivot on cornavirus and masks. And this president NEVER pivots!
Someone got to him about how bad this winter may become, and that it really needs attention, direction, and something needs to be done. I bet he was predicting on restarting the riots to divert attention from covid, which is why he wanted to send in federal agents to multiple northern, urban cities, since covid is mostly down south. There haven't been protests in Philly in over a month. I don't think NYC has had them either for some time.
Someone talked him out of that. I think ppl were prepared to quit & out him over it.
I don't think he'll drop out. The executive office is his hedge against criminal charges in NY for starters. But ultimately it's his narcissism that will keep him from dropping out IMO. Of course one could argue that the narcissist's biggest fear is losing an election. But just like 2016, he's already prepping for that result with claims of "voter fraud" and is not sure if he'll accept the results if he loses.
It's very dangerous territory for our country to be in.
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The Lincoln Project has been relentless in its attacks on Trump and his complicit Senators. With new ads almost daily. There are a few other Republican groups who are also hitting him hard with ads. I don't remember ever seeing something like this before.
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PaSnow wrote:I don't think trump makes it to election day. Yesterday, was a MASSIVE pivot on cornavirus and masks. And this president NEVER pivots!
Someone got to him about how bad this winter may become, and that it really needs attention, direction, and something needs to be done. I bet he was predicting on restarting the riots to divert attention from covid, which is why he wanted to send in federal agents to multiple northern, urban cities, since covid is mostly down south. There haven't been protests in Philly in over a month. I don't think NYC has had them either for some time.
Someone talked him out of that. I think ppl were prepared to quit & out him over it.
I don't think he'll drop out. The executive office is his hedge against criminal charges in NY for starters. But ultimately it's his narcissism that will keep him from dropping out IMO. Of course one could argue that the narcissist's biggest fear is losing an election. But just like 2016, he's already prepping for that result with claims of "voter fraud" and is not sure if he'll accept the results if he loses.
It's very dangerous territory for our country to be in.
Agree on all 3 points.
His ego won't drop out.
His ego won't let him lose the election.
He 'might' contest the election. Which is scary. I've read about that scenario (something like a President can question results similar to 2000, so if its close in multiple states he could contest each states results, even tho he loses EC by 50+ or whatever. I forget where it goes after that, maybe the Senate & if GOP has 50+VP its 51 and they win). Totally would be scary, when reading it, I think its 'possible', but I think he'd need like all the swing states to be relatively close to attempt it. He couldn't lose a state by 8% and claim voter fraud.
I think Labor Day is a key date. Around Sept 15 if its even worse he drops out. If its as it is today or closer he stays in it, hoping the debates are favorable to him. By October 1 if he's still in it he stays in. The voter fraud challenge becomes a Plan B, but I think even Barr would have to say its a stretch if the election states aren't that close. There'd likely be alot of lawsuits from states too to fight off.
Lincoln Project is something else, seen them appear on Twitter & read an article about them but forget exactly who's behind it. (I'm sure mega donor/superpac types).
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The Lincoln Project are Bush refugees responsible for 2 wars, thousands of American deaths, Trillions in debt, the Tea Party, sabotaging of Social Security and one of the leaders is a literal agent of Russia. Lots of irony there. And they are worse than Trump.
We can survive four years of Trump like we just did.
There's no way he doesn't "accept" the results and doesn't leave. This is conspiracy mumbo jumbo. I see him dropping out at the last moment before he does something that will literally send him straight to prison. There's no logical way this happens.
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Ok, here it is, per newsweek. tl;dr: Trump challenges close states & it goes to court. Electoral College 'official vote' is December 14th. If the court case isn't settled by December 14 the EC votes anyway without said states. If neither candidate has 270 it goes to the House, but each state gets 1 vote from the house based on majority of votes. So, if 26 states have more R than D reps, they can win it. (R or D per state would be different from Dems holding the majority, if you get what I'm saying. For instance Cali might have 20 house rep seats, but counts as 1, but so would Montana, Wyoming, ND, SD etc)
Biden wins the popular vote, and carries the key swing states of Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania by decent but not overwhelming margins.
Trump immediately declares that the voting was rigged, that there was mail-in ballot fraud and that the Chinese were behind a plan to provide fraudulent mail-in ballots and other "election hacking" throughout the four key swing states that gave Biden his victory.
Having railed against the Chinese throughout the campaign, calling Biden "soft on China," Trump delivers his narrative claiming the Chinese have interfered in the U.S. election.
Trump indicates this is a major national security issue, and he invokes emergency powers, directing the Justice Department to investigate the alleged activity in the swing states. The legal justification for the presidential powers he invokes has already been developed and issued by Barr.
The investigation is intended to tick down the clock toward December 14, the deadline when each state's Electoral College electors must be appointed. This is the very issue that the Supreme Court harped on in Bush v. Gore in ruling that the election process had to be brought to a close, thus forbidding the further counting of Florida ballots.
All four swing states have Republican control of both their upper and lower houses of their state legislatures. Those state legislatures refuse to allow any Electoral College slate to be certified until the "national security" investigation is complete.
The Democrats will have begun a legal action to certify the results in those four states, and the appointment of the Biden slate of electors, arguing that Trump has manufactured a national security emergency in order to create the ensuing chaos.
The issue goes up to the Supreme Court, which unlike the 2000 election does not decide the election in favor of the Republicans. However, it indicates again that the December 14 Electoral College deadline must be met; that the president's national security powers legally authorize him to investigate potential foreign country intrusion into the national election; and if no Electoral College slate can be certified by any state by December 14, the Electoral College must meet anyway and cast its votes.
The Electoral College meets, and without the electors from those four states being represented, neither Biden nor Trump has sufficient votes to get an Electoral College majority.
The election is thrown into the House of Representatives, pursuant to the Constitution. Under the relevant constitutional process, the vote in the House is by state delegation, where each delegation casts one vote, which is determined by the majority of the representatives in that state.
Currently, there are 26 states that have a majority Republican House delegation. 23 states have a majority Democratic delegation. There is one state, Pennsylvania, that has an evenly split delegation. Even if the Democrats were to pick up seats in Pennsylvania and hold all their 2018 House gains, the Republicans would have a 26 to 24 delegation majority.
This vote would enable Trump to retain the presidency.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-coul … on-1513975
and Al Gore conceded on Dec 13 due to the EC vote, even tho the counting was somewhat still to be ongoing. So some of it isn't entirely unprecedented.
