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Listen, I'd be thrilled to stay out of most of the international conflicts that we get into, so I'm certainly not an advocate of any of this. But the reality is we are the free world's police force whether we like it or not. That's why many of those countries don't spend like we do. If we didn't, they'd have no choice but to spend more.
People globally may view us negatively, but we get the first call from anyone facing issues they don't know how to solve regardless of what that issue is. You cannot expect us to bail countries out when they are in trouble then expect us to walk away allowing whatever it was to happen again. We're going to protect our interests. You can't have one without the other. Not the way things are now or have been since WWI. Regardless of why we were in the Middle East, just leaving wasn't an option. Obama wanted to do it and knew he couldn't. If we're going to be everybody's big brother, there's a cost that goes along with it.
Please explain how this applies to Iraq. Those aren’t the reasons we originally went there.
Re: US Politics Thread
buzzsaw wrote:Listen, I'd be thrilled to stay out of most of the international conflicts that we get into, so I'm certainly not an advocate of any of this. But the reality is we are the free world's police force whether we like it or not. That's why many of those countries don't spend like we do. If we didn't, they'd have no choice but to spend more.
People globally may view us negatively, but we get the first call from anyone facing issues they don't know how to solve regardless of what that issue is. You cannot expect us to bail countries out when they are in trouble then expect us to walk away allowing whatever it was to happen again. We're going to protect our interests. You can't have one without the other. Not the way things are now or have been since WWI. Regardless of why we were in the Middle East, just leaving wasn't an option. Obama wanted to do it and knew he couldn't. If we're going to be everybody's big brother, there's a cost that goes along with it.
Please explain how this applies to Iraq. Those aren’t the reasons we originally went there.
It doesn't matter any more why we went there. Get into reality mitch. We're there. We can't just leave and even your god Obama didn't just leave for a reason. Stop and absorb that. Life isn't fantasy land. There are consequences for everything. NOTHING comes without a cost and not all cost is financial cost.
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Re: US Politics Thread
Listen, I'd be thrilled to stay out of most of the international conflicts that we get into, so I'm certainly not an advocate of any of this. But the reality is we are the free world's police force whether we like it or not. That's why many of those countries don't spend like we do. If we didn't, they'd have no choice but to spend more.
People globally may view us negatively, but we get the first call from anyone facing issues they don't know how to solve regardless of what that issue is. You cannot expect us to bail countries out when they are in trouble then expect us to walk away allowing whatever it was to happen again. We're going to protect our interests. You can't have one without the other. Not the way things are now or have been since WWI. Regardless of why we were in the Middle East, just leaving wasn't an option. Obama wanted to do it and knew he couldn't. If we're going to be everybody's big brother, there's a cost that goes along with it.
Absolutely, Europe has to hold a lot of the blame for how America is globally. At the same time I think the US needs to step back and stop letting Europe use them whenever it suits. Let these European countries sort most shit out themselves. They are too dependent on your military and it simply costs you too much. It cannot go on forever.
To be clear, I think this side of the pond has fallen out with some of your policies, but they support the American people strongly as seen all across the world.
Re: US Politics Thread
buzzsaw wrote:Listen, I'd be thrilled to stay out of most of the international conflicts that we get into, so I'm certainly not an advocate of any of this. But the reality is we are the free world's police force whether we like it or not. That's why many of those countries don't spend like we do. If we didn't, they'd have no choice but to spend more.
People globally may view us negatively, but we get the first call from anyone facing issues they don't know how to solve regardless of what that issue is. You cannot expect us to bail countries out when they are in trouble then expect us to walk away allowing whatever it was to happen again. We're going to protect our interests. You can't have one without the other. Not the way things are now or have been since WWI. Regardless of why we were in the Middle East, just leaving wasn't an option. Obama wanted to do it and knew he couldn't. If we're going to be everybody's big brother, there's a cost that goes along with it.
Absolutely, Europe has to hold a lot of the blame for how America is globally. At the same time I think the US needs to step back and stop letting Europe use them whenever it suits. Let these European countries sort most shit out themselves. They are too dependent on your military and it simply costs you too much. It cannot go on forever.
To be clear, I think this side of the pond has fallen out with some of your policies, but they support the American people strongly as seen all across the world.
Absolutely and I am all for it personally. I've gotten yelled at for being an "isolationist" but many of our problems come from the fact that we don't just say fuck it you're on your own. I'd love to, but the consequences of doing that would be greater than status quo. So we do what we have to and then our own people attack us for doing it. It's a bad situation with no solution right now. If all those socialist countries had to support more military, their economies would crash hard. We're kind of stuck here.
Re: US Politics Thread
mitchejw wrote:buzzsaw wrote:Listen, I'd be thrilled to stay out of most of the international conflicts that we get into, so I'm certainly not an advocate of any of this. But the reality is we are the free world's police force whether we like it or not. That's why many of those countries don't spend like we do. If we didn't, they'd have no choice but to spend more.
People globally may view us negatively, but we get the first call from anyone facing issues they don't know how to solve regardless of what that issue is. You cannot expect us to bail countries out when they are in trouble then expect us to walk away allowing whatever it was to happen again. We're going to protect our interests. You can't have one without the other. Not the way things are now or have been since WWI. Regardless of why we were in the Middle East, just leaving wasn't an option. Obama wanted to do it and knew he couldn't. If we're going to be everybody's big brother, there's a cost that goes along with it.
Please explain how this applies to Iraq. Those aren’t the reasons we originally went there.
It doesn't matter any more why we went there. Get into reality mitch. We're there. We can't just leave and even your god Obama didn't just leave for a reason. Stop and absorb that. Life isn't fantasy land. There are consequences for everything. NOTHING comes without a cost and not all cost is financial cost.
And maybe that was The deception. They sold the whole thing to the public based on lies and the real agenda was to find a reason to get there so we could police it. I think that goes all the way back to the original question Irish asked.
Re: US Politics Thread
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:Please explain how this applies to Iraq. Those aren’t the reasons we originally went there.
It doesn't matter any more why we went there. Get into reality mitch. We're there. We can't just leave and even your god Obama didn't just leave for a reason. Stop and absorb that. Life isn't fantasy land. There are consequences for everything. NOTHING comes without a cost and not all cost is financial cost.
And maybe that was The deception. They sold the whole thing to the public based on lies and the real agenda was to find a reason to get there so we could police it. I think that goes all the way back to the original question Irish asked.
Have a good day mitch.
Re: US Politics Thread
mitchejw wrote:buzzsaw wrote:It doesn't matter any more why we went there. Get into reality mitch. We're there. We can't just leave and even your god Obama didn't just leave for a reason. Stop and absorb that. Life isn't fantasy land. There are consequences for everything. NOTHING comes without a cost and not all cost is financial cost.
And maybe that was The deception. They sold the whole thing to the public based on lies and the real agenda was to find a reason to get there so we could police it. I think that goes all the way back to the original question Irish asked.
Have a good day mitch.
Ok...uh...we weren’t deceived into Iraq? Ok buddy
Re: US Politics Thread
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:And maybe that was The deception. They sold the whole thing to the public based on lies and the real agenda was to find a reason to get there so we could police it. I think that goes all the way back to the original question Irish asked.
Have a good day mitch.
Ok...uh...we weren’t deceived into Iraq? Ok buddy
Remember when I said you read stuff and then make up what you wanted someone to say?
Have a nice day mitch.
- IRISH OS1R1S
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Re: US Politics Thread
The thing I think a lot of people don't get is all this is not an American problem, its a global problem that will require a global solution. America takes the brunt of the blame simply because they are currently the biggest, strongest, but what happens in the rest of the world dictates American policy so its all globally evolving the end of the day.
With how information is digested now I do smell a huge revolution of some kind is coming, maybe even in our lifetime. Will it be a good thing or bad? Well have to wait an see.
Re: US Politics Thread
mitchejw wrote:buzzsaw wrote:Have a good day mitch.
Ok...uh...we weren’t deceived into Iraq? Ok buddy
Remember when I said you read stuff and then make up what you wanted someone to say?
Have a nice day mitch.
You’re misinterpreting me. You are the one misunderstanding. Irish original question was about when did we (Americans) begin to mistrust our government so much. Or something to that affect.