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mitchejw wrote:misterID wrote:These aren't theories, this has happened in New York, Seattle, LA, who've implemented your $15 minimum wage and it didn't solve anything, but just raised the cost of living, solved nothing, and are still the leading areas of income inequality.
Good for you, I want you to tell yourself why you want to play with people's livelihood so you can force your Bernie philosophical beliefs into a stimulus package using people's misery as your bargaining chip.
I don’t need to tell myself l need to tell you...
The people have all the bargaining chips right now and it’s time to use them.
You can’t tell someone they’re vital employees and pay them minimum wage and risk their health.
Some how i get the impression that you think it weak that I chose to do what I did. That i should hoard what I have and tell people that we’re integral in building this with me to fuck off.
What a scumbag thing to say. Don't complain anymore. Not about Trump, Repubs, anyone. You are 10X worse. You're doing this to your employees. The reason politicians are emboldened to play games during this crisis is because they know there are rubes who'll support them no matter what.
Stop lying about what I said or try and pass your lies off as what I think. I'm sorry I'm not the imaginary cliche character you need to try and salvage your stupidass arguments. All this "by that argument" and "I get the feeling" is total bullshit, it's just a way for you to weasel your way into a lie about me. Stop trying to be the martyr here. I feel awful for your employees because they've got a boss who loves to gloat about doing the right thing while simultaneously cheers his side using their suffering to jerk off on a stimulus bill that'll help them. All because now's the time to force people into Bernie's America.
It will never happen, it won't pass, they're just wasting time, which is the whole goal.
I didn’t impose my political feelings on anyone... I just did what I felt was right for the people that helped make me a success.
If you knew how many individual conversations I’ve had with my employees in the last 6 days you wouldn’t be railing against me so hard.
The Bernie thing to do is take care of everyone.
Re: US Politics Thread
mitchejw wrote:misterID wrote:These aren't theories, this has happened in New York, Seattle, LA, who've implemented your $15 minimum wage and it didn't solve anything, but just raised the cost of living, solved nothing, and are still the leading areas of income inequality.
Good for you, I want you to tell yourself why you want to play with people's livelihood so you can force your Bernie philosophical beliefs into a stimulus package using people's misery as your bargaining chip.
I don’t need to tell myself l need to tell you...
The people have all the bargaining chips right now and it’s time to use them.
You can’t tell someone they’re vital employees and pay them minimum wage and risk their health.
Some how i get the impression that you think it weak that I chose to do what I did. That i should hoard what I have and tell people that we’re integral in building this with me to fuck off.
What a scumbag thing to say. Don't complain anymore. Not about Trump, Repubs, anyone. You are 10X worse. You're doing this to your employees. The reason politicians are emboldened to play games during this crisis is because they know there are rubes who'll support them no matter what.
Stop lying about what I said or try and pass your lies off as what I think. I'm sorry I'm not the imaginary cliche character you need to try and salvage your stupidass arguments. All this "by that argument" and "I get the feeling" is total bullshit, it's just a way for you to weasel your way into a lie about me. Stop trying to be the martyr here. I feel awful for your employees because they've got a boss who loves to gloat about doing the right thing while simultaneously cheers his side using their suffering to jerk off on a stimulus bill that'll help them. All because now's the time to force people into Bernie's America.
It will never happen, it won't pass, they're just wasting time, which is the whole goal.
ID...I’m not trying to lie about you....I’m just trying to expose your flaws in logic.
Re: US Politics Thread
misterID wrote:mitchejw wrote:I don’t need to tell myself l need to tell you...
The people have all the bargaining chips right now and it’s time to use them.
You can’t tell someone they’re vital employees and pay them minimum wage and risk their health.
Some how i get the impression that you think it weak that I chose to do what I did. That i should hoard what I have and tell people that we’re integral in building this with me to fuck off.
What a scumbag thing to say. Don't complain anymore. Not about Trump, Repubs, anyone. You are 10X worse. You're doing this to your employees. The reason politicians are emboldened to play games during this crisis is because they know there are rubes who'll support them no matter what.
Stop lying about what I said or try and pass your lies off as what I think. I'm sorry I'm not the imaginary cliche character you need to try and salvage your stupidass arguments. All this "by that argument" and "I get the feeling" is total bullshit, it's just a way for you to weasel your way into a lie about me. Stop trying to be the martyr here. I feel awful for your employees because they've got a boss who loves to gloat about doing the right thing while simultaneously cheers his side using their suffering to jerk off on a stimulus bill that'll help them. All because now's the time to force people into Bernie's America.
It will never happen, it won't pass, they're just wasting time, which is the whole goal.
ID...I’m not trying to lie about you....I’m just trying to expose your flaws in logic.
Lol, you're making up things I didn't say. That's called a lie, mitch.
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WASHINGTON — The White House and Senate leaders of both major political parties announced agreement early Wednesday on unprecedented emergency legislation to rush sweeping aid to businesses, workers and a health care system slammed by the coronavirus pandemic.
The urgently needed $2 trillion pandemic response measure is the largest economic rescue measure in history and is intended as a weekslong or monthslong patch for an economy spiraling into recession and a nation facing a potentially ghastly toll.
Top White House aide Eric Ueland announced the agreement in a Capitol hallway shortly after midnight, capping days of often intense haggling and mounting pressure. The deal still needs to be finalized in detailed legislative language.
“Ladies and gentlemen, we are done,” Ueland said. “We have a deal.”
The economic rescue package would give direct payments to most Americans, expand unemployment benefits and provide a $367 billion program for small businesses to keep making payroll while workers are forced to stay home.
One of the last issues to close concerned $500 billion for guaranteed, subsidized loans to larger industries, including a fight over how generous to be with the airlines. Hospitals would get significant help as well.
“After days of intense discussions, the Senate has reached a bipartisan agreement on a historic relief package for this pandemic,” said Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., a key negotiator. “It will rush new resources onto the front lines of our nation’s health care fight. And it will inject trillions of dollars of cash into the economy as fast as possible to help Americans workers, families, small businesses and industries make it through this disruption and emerge on the other side ready to soar.”
At the White House on Tuesday, even as the public health crisis deepened, President Donald Trump expressed eagerness to nudge many people back to work in the coming weeks and held out a prospect, based more on hope than science, that the country could be returning to normal in less than a month.
“We have to go back to work, much sooner than people thought,” Trump told a Fox News town hall. He said he’d like to have the country “opened up and just raring to go” by Easter, April 12. But in a White House briefing later, Trump said that “our decision will be based on hard facts and data.”
Medical professionals say social distancing needs to be stepped up, not relaxed, to slow the spread of infections. At the White House briefing, the public health authorities said it was particularly important for people in the hard-hit New York City metropolitan area to quarantine themselves for 14 days and for those who have recently left the city to do the same.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, said pointedly at the briefing, “No one is going to want to tone down anything when you see what is going on in a place like New York City.”
On Capitol Hill, five days of arduous talks produced the bill, creating tensions among Congress’ top leaders, who each took care to tend to party politics as they maneuvered and battled over crafting the legislation. But failure was never an option, which permitted both sides to mark big wins.
Even before the deal was reached, news of the likely but elusive agreement had sent the stock market rocketing on Tuesday. The rescue package would be larger than the 2008 bank bailout and 2009 recovery act combined.
The package would give one-time payments of $1,200 per adult and $500 per child directly to the public.
A huge cash infusion for hospitals expecting a flood of COVID-19 patients grew during the talks at the insistence of Sen. Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader, while Republicans pressed for tens of billions of dollars for additional relief to be delivered through the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the lead federal disaster agency.
Democrats said the package would help replace the salaries of furloughed workers for four months, rather than the three months first proposed. Furloughed workers would get whatever amount a state usually provides for unemployment, plus a $600 per week add-on, with gig workers like Uber drivers covered for the first time.
“It ensures that all workers are protected whether they work for businesses small, medium or large, along with self-employed and workers in the gig economy,” Schumer said.
Republicans won inclusion of an “employee retention” tax credit that’s estimated to provide $50 billion to companies that retain employees on payroll and cover 50% of workers’ paychecks. Companies would also be able to defer payment of the 6.2% Social Security payroll tax.
Democrats pointed to gains for hospitals, additional oversight of the huge industry stabilization fund and money for cash-strapped states. A companion appropriations package ballooned as well, growing from a $46 billion White House proposal to more than $300 billion, which dwarfs earlier disasters — including Hurricane Katrina and Superstorm Sandy combined.
To provide transparency, the package is expected to create a new inspector general and oversight board for the corporate dollars, much as was done during the 2008 Troubled Asset Relief Program bank rescue, officials said.
Trump in recent days has sounded a note of frustration about the unprecedented modern-day effort to halt the virus’ march by essentially shutting down public activities in ways that now threaten the U.S. economy.
Even though Trump’s administration recommended Americans curtail activities for 15 days, starting just over a week ago, the Republican president said he may soon allow parts of the economy, in regions less badly hit by the virus, to begin reopening.
He continued on that theme Tuesday as he weighed a relaxation of social distancing guidelines after the 15-day period is up. His suggestion that the pandemic could ease and allow a return to normalcy in a mere few weeks is not supported by public health officials or many others in government.
On Tuesday, top defense and military leaders warned department personnel that the virus problems could extend for eight to 10 weeks or longer. Army Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said during a Defense Department town hall meeting that the crisis could even extend into July.
Trump has balked at using his authority under the recently invoked Defense Protection Act to compel the private sector to manufacture needed medical supplies like masks and ventilators, even as he encourages them to spur production. “We are a country not based on nationalizing our business,” said Trump, who has repeatedly railed against socialism overseas and among Democrats.
For most people, the new coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough that clear up in two to three weeks. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia and death. The vast majority of people recover.
The virus has caused a global pandemic that has sickened more than 425,000 people and killed about 19,000 worldwide. In the United States, more than 55,000 people have been sickened and more than 800 have died.
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So none of the pork Pelosi was demanding made it, proving it was all a political stunt. Shame.
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What pork? The fake meme that went around on the innernet saying Dems wanted abortion laws & green funding including that was proven false: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … RRonaJvSdM
Fwiw, there is an oversight committee, and no companies owned by the President, nor the cabinet (Devos) can reap any benefits. I consider them pretty successful, and relevant wins for Americans as a whole.
- Randall Flagg
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What pork? The fake meme that went around on the innernet saying Dems wanted abortion laws & green funding including that was proven false: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … RRonaJvSdM
Fwiw, there is an oversight committee, and no companies owned by the President, nor the cabinet (Devos) can reap any benefits. I consider them pretty successful, and relevant wins for Americans as a whole.
The $15 minimum wage, tax funds for solar, requiring boards to have X amount of seats for women and minorities. If you're going to link a politifact article, at least make sure it addresses the things you claim it does. Like seriously, your link is talking about the house bill that was signed last week, and has nothing to do with the stunt pulled over the weekend. Get informed. It's like you and Mitch seek out headlines to defend your "side" rather than find evidence to support your personal opinion. "They're not ranting about Trump, and calling out bad behavior from Democrats, so let me google a headline I can link to generate some authority behind my belief they're wrong without forming my own opinion."
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PaSnow wrote:What pork? The fake meme that went around on the innernet saying Dems wanted abortion laws & green funding including that was proven false: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … RRonaJvSdM
Fwiw, there is an oversight committee, and no companies owned by the President, nor the cabinet (Devos) can reap any benefits. I consider them pretty successful, and relevant wins for Americans as a whole.
The $15 minimum wage, tax funds for solar, requiring boards to have X amount of seats for women and minorities. If you're going to link a politifact article, at least make sure it addresses the things you claim it does. Like seriously, your link is talking about the house bill that was signed last week, and has nothing to do with the stunt pulled over the weekend. Get informed. It's like you and Mitch seek out headlines to defend your "side" rather than find evidence to support your personal opinion. "They're not ranting about Trump, and calling out bad behavior from Democrats, so let me google a headline I can link to generate some authority behind my belief they're wrong without forming my own opinion."
I'm starting to think the whole thing was fake news to begin with...I did not see any of the stuff ID posted on any of my trusted sources. It seems like it was a misinformation piece designed to make Dems look stupid.
- Randall Flagg
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Randall Flagg wrote:PaSnow wrote:What pork? The fake meme that went around on the innernet saying Dems wanted abortion laws & green funding including that was proven false: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … RRonaJvSdM
Fwiw, there is an oversight committee, and no companies owned by the President, nor the cabinet (Devos) can reap any benefits. I consider them pretty successful, and relevant wins for Americans as a whole.
The $15 minimum wage, tax funds for solar, requiring boards to have X amount of seats for women and minorities. If you're going to link a politifact article, at least make sure it addresses the things you claim it does. Like seriously, your link is talking about the house bill that was signed last week, and has nothing to do with the stunt pulled over the weekend. Get informed. It's like you and Mitch seek out headlines to defend your "side" rather than find evidence to support your personal opinion. "They're not ranting about Trump, and calling out bad behavior from Democrats, so let me google a headline I can link to generate some authority behind my belief they're wrong without forming my own opinion."
I'm starting to think the whole thing was fake news to begin with...I did not see any of the stuff ID posted on any of my trusted sources. It seems like it was a misinformation piece designed to make Dems look stupid.
Less than 12 hours ago you were defending these things. Now you're calling them "fake news". JHC
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I see some are hailing Cuomo as some heroic figure. Apparently they didn't watch the same news conference from him that I did yesterday. He was begging for the gov't to give him everything they have because he needs it and whenever he decides they don't need it anymore, they will share it. Good idea bro...nobody will have a need after you decide you don't need it anymore...NYC will be safe and the rest of the country will have suffered so you could be the hero. I swear people don't even try to think, they just say whatever they think is going to make them look good.
