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What will the conspiracy crowd say when Manafort pleads to shit unrelated to the election and Trump and doesn’t “cooperate”?
Are we going to end the farce or try to find something, anything, like Trump paying a porn Star not to go on TV or sell a book, which they did anyway, to make it seem like justice is being served.
Manafort is guilty as fuck. But none of it has anything to do with the election or anything the SC was tasked to investigate.
I guess we just need more time. Maybe assign a second SC to investigate all the women Trump slept with without a condom while married.
You must like to take long shots when you bet.
Here's what you DON'T know: Anything Mueller has on Trump.
But here's what we DO know (short list):
Numerous Trump associates who have pled guilty and will be working with Mueller on this investigation.
Trump's absolute refusal to take a stand against Russia after they meddled in our election.
Trump immediately working to create a back channel with Russia (without our intelligence communities knowing) once he became president.
Trump's son, with his Don senior's knowledge, meeting in Trump tower with Russians to get dirt on Hillary.
Trump's refusal to release his tax returns.
Trump sharing classified info with the Russians in the fucking oval office
Trump wanted to return the two "compounds" to the Russians once he took office, the ones that were taken away by Obama admin before leaving.
Trump's association to Russia via business ties, admin officials, Flynn, Manafort etc
But more than anything, Trump's actions to end this investigation speak volumes. Our election was tampered with by a hostile foreign power. If Trump is innocent, then why not allow Mueller to do his job and do his best to make sure all bases are covered and protect our democracy? After all, this isn't solely about Trump, it's about the election tampering. Trump doesn't want this and attacks the law 24/7.
Most reasonable people would say there is more than enough evidence to suspect some wrong doing. But I don't think anybody has ever accused you of being reasonable, now have they?
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I can't believe anyone who voted for a Clinton would want people digging up the past on anyone...I mean there's no way they killed everybody.
We're in a never ending circle of idiocy where both sides are blaming the other for starting it and using that childish approach to justify doing the exact same thing. Frankly I don't give a fuck who started it, but it has to end. Anyone defending either side's actions at this point is part of the problem. That's not straddling the fence mitch (as I know you love to make that accusation because deep down you know it's right); it's kicking the fucking fence down. Anyone supporting either party's actions are now part of the problem.
False equivalency is the problem, something you espouse all the time. And yes you pretend to straddle the fence for sure, but really we know you're just another right wing parrot, even if you don't.
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Manafort is guilty as fuck. But none of it has anything to do with the election or anything the SC was tasked to investigate.
How can you say this, when you don't even know what he knows, has said to Mueller, or what dirt the SC has on him?
It's just mind boggling. It'd no different than someone saying 'Drew Brees is still playing good, but they're not going to go to the Super Bowl" Like, what, why? How do you know this already...?
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Randall Flagg wrote:Manafort is guilty as fuck. But none of it has anything to do with the election or anything the SC was tasked to investigate.
How can you say this, when you don't even know what he knows, has said to Mueller, or what dirt the SC has on him?
It's just mind boggling. It'd no different than someone saying 'Drew Brees is still playing good, but they're not going to go to the Super Bowl" Like, what, why? How do you know this already...?
I know what he pled guilty too. I know that Comey and Mueller have both said Trump isn’t under investigation. That’s how this works. You need evidence or something credible to accuse someone of wrong doing.
When not a single person connected to Trump has been charged with anything related to the election, when all the conspiracy nuts are proven wrong time and time again, that’s when a rational person acknowledges it’s all a farce.
You want to believe wrong doing occurrence because you hate Trump. But you nor anyone else can provide a single, objective reason why. Then you have the audacity to question my thinking, because I don’t profess to accept something without an ounce of proof.
Here’s the analogy you are avoiding: You’re the guy on the corner screaming God is real, Noah saved every animal on his arc, and Jesus died for our sins and was resurrected. I’m the guy saying you lack any evidence, and the premise is absurd on its face. Then you attack me for not accepting the Bible because so many others do.
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When not a single person connected to Trump has been charged with anything related to the election, when all the conspiracy nuts are proven wrong time and time again, that’s when a rational person acknowledges it’s all a farce.
Right, none 
Manafort - Russia
Flynn - Russia
Papadopolous - Russia
Gates - Russia
Cohen - Finance Violations
Page - Admitted ties to Russia. Even visited Moscow while working for Trump campaign
Lewandowski - Claimed to not know Page, later admitted to knowing him.
I'm sure the investigation is just gonna end up being for some rando, not Donald J 
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Part of me wonders if the whole '2-3 year investigation' is due to National Security in itself, in that they need to drop little bits of info, and leak to the public slowly what happened. If on January 22 or Novemeber 9th or whatever they came out & said "Oops, uh Donald J Trump had illegal contacts with Russian spies and paid for the hacked DNC emails to be released, and we have recorded phone calls of them, and emails & texts, uhmmm he's not going to be your President" The public would be in the streets rioting, from both sides. This way, unraveling it slowly, and only removing him from office for the final 2 or 1 years seems less 'unfair' to the winners (GOP) and losers (Dems, as they would be upset a GOP stays in office as opposed to Hillary).
Could be taking a line from the Nixon investigation, where the country had just been getting over riots & protest & antitrust of the government over Vietnam. They probably didn't want to nail him overnight, so they leaked it slowly before laying down on him (to which he resigned).
Man tho, if Sessions is found guilty or to have been pretty seriously involved in this, the whole country will become a shitshow. There's talk that Pence's nod as VP was a Manafort thing too. I think Speaker of the House (Ryan) is 3rd in line of sucession, however I heard that's only in the case of death, not removal/resignation etc.
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Randall Flagg wrote:When not a single person connected to Trump has been charged with anything related to the election, when all the conspiracy nuts are proven wrong time and time again, that’s when a rational person acknowledges it’s all a farce.
Right, none
Manafort - Russia
Flynn - Russia
Papadopolous - Russia
Gates - Russia
Cohen - Finance Violations
Page - Admitted ties to Russia. Even visited Moscow while working for Trump campaign
Lewandowski - Claimed to not know Page, later admitted to knowing him.I'm sure the investigation is just gonna end up being for some rando, not Donald J
Can you explain how any of those tie to the election? A single one. Keep preaching about how Moses parted the Red Sea.
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Trump really has nothing to worry about with the special counsel. They can't do anything to him and unless they have evidence that he literally, unequivocally colluded with Russia, there won't be an impeachment. Mueller spent 2 years and 30 million to get Papadopoulos in jail for 2 weeks? Come on, man.
He should be very worried about New York state charges, especially Jr. Presidential power can't do anything to save his ass there.
- Randall Flagg
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Trump really has nothing to worry about with the special counsel. They can't do anything to him and unless they have evidence that he literally, unequivocally colluded with Russia, there won't be an impeachment. Mueller spent 2 years and 30 million to get Papadopoulos in jail for 2 weeks? Come on, man.
He should be very worried about New York state charges, especially Jr. Presidential power can't do anything to save his ass there.
Unless the Dems go full retard and nominate a Booker or Warren, Trump is out in 2 years. I don’t think Jr will be indicted, though any complaints about partisan justice lose credibility when you look at NY, so Trump pardons him before leaving office.
There’s no court case establishing a federal pardon exempts state prosecution, but I’m betting when/if it does, federal courts rule a federal pardon preempts a state.
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Can you explain how any of those tie to the election?
Did you miss the part about working with Russia to leak stolen emails from the DNC database they hacked into? Either paid $$ or pro-quid-pro (this for that)? You don't think that would get Donald removed from office if it comes out?
Remember way back Trump sent a crazy tweet about "Just found out Obama wiretapped Trump Tower". You know why he tweeted that? Cause he was told during a Nat'l Security briefing that during the course of the investigation into who hacked into the emails, the Trump campaign team entered in and was in contact with the hackers, working to obtain their release.
Mr ID yeah I agree,, in fact I think the NY charges are a preemptive measure to limit Trumps capabilities of evading this issue by pardoning/firing all.
Randall, I don't think there needs to be 'court precedence' (sounds like a Hannity term anyway) for a President NOT to be able to pardon a state conviction. It's just not within their scope of authority.
Maybe they wouldn't be able to charge him with the same charges if he is charged on Federal level, I would think that would be Double Jeopardy, I'm not sure. Still, if NY charges anybody they are SOL to Trumps pardon power.
