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- Randall Flagg
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Some congressional leaders stay in for life and don’t resign from leadership when they lose control of the house or have an uprising in their own party that challenges their leadership. Others resign when they’ve accomplished what they set out to do.
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Yea i don’t know if he’s leaving because he’s accomplished everything he’s wanted to...he’s been around for 20 years and will have the shortest run of any speaker in recent memory. All he’s done is lower taxes which has been done multiple times in some form since Ryan has served.
It’s somewhere between peculiar and suspect if you ask me.
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I think words out this things going to become a mess. 'Watergate proportions'. Firing Mueller, evidence against Kushner, Papadopolous/Flynn & others turning, it's the reason alot of his cabinets bailing on him, let alone Trumps an ass to deal with.
The GOP is gonna have a very tough fall with this mess. Interviews, town halls, campaign speeches. Plus IIRC Ryans is a fairly moderate district & was nervous about winning in 16. If this mess is going on he'd likely lose his seat, which I'd be curious if/when that last happened to a sitting SOTH.
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I think words out this things going to become a mess. 'Watergate proportions'. Firing Mueller, evidence against Kushner, Papadopolous/Flynn & others turning, it's the reason alot of his cabinets bailing on him, let alone Trumps an ass to deal with.
The GOP is gonna have a very tough fall with this mess. Interviews, town halls, campaign speeches. Plus IIRC Ryans is a fairly moderate district & was nervous about winning in 16. If this mess is going on he'd likely lose his seat, which I'd be curious if/when that last happened to a sitting SOTH.
Highlight and underscore the lose part. Has a sitting speaker ever lost an election?
- Randall Flagg
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Ryan won with 65 percent of the vote in 2016. There wasn’t any real chance of him losing this year.
Tom Foley, a Democrat, lost his campaign in 1994. His loss was largely attributed to his support for the AWB of 94.
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This is....concerning...
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey aroused controversy after labeling a Medium article “great” that claimed there’s no “bipartisan way forward” in the United States and that the country is engaged in a “fundamental conflict between two worldviews that must be resolved in short order.”
Dorsey shared the Medium article on his personal Twitter account Thursday night, with the accompanying acclaim that it was a “great read.”
Great read https://t.co/O2djSQf8Qv — jack (@jack) April 6, 2018
Author and media consultant Peter Leyden and political commentator Ruy Teixeira argued in the article titled “The Great Lesson of California in America’s New Civil War” that America is already in the midst of a second major domestic conflict of sorts and the way out is for the rest of the country to imitate California.
“In this current period of American politics, at this juncture in our history, there’s no way that a bipartisan path provides the way forward,” they wrote. “The way forward is on the path California blazed about 15 years ago.”
Essentially, the authors called for a complete marginalization of the Republican Party and its voters since they only care “about rule by and for billionaires at the expense of working people” and not “average citizens.”
California, despite its mass wealth inequality, growing lack of social cohesion, poverty, and soaring housing costs “provides a model for America as a whole,” according to Leyden and Teixeira. Interestingly enough, they claimed the state’s economy is booming, although arguably not for long. They also oddly claimed the state is running on surpluses without acknowledging its debt crisis.
“The public is happy with its political leaders,” they noted. However, California Gov. Jerry Brown, a Democrat, has a 44 percent approval rating. The article also does not acknowledge that the state has seen tens of thousands of residents leave annually for the last few years.
Leyden and Teixeira are somewhat correct that America currently faces a dialectic of “two political cultures already at odds through different political ideologies, philosophies.” Yet, they do not call for Democrats to try to understand their political adversaries.
Instead, they proposed Americans “take the Republican Party down for a generation or two” in order to save the country.
“America can’t afford more political paralysis. One side or the other must win. This is a civil war that can be won without firing a shot. But it is a fundamental conflict between two worldviews that must be resolved in short order,” Leyden and Teixeira asserted.
Dorsey’s tweet comes in the midst of growing concerns about his website’s treatment of conservatives. Over the last few years, Twitter has banned a number of right-wing accounts that it says violate the site’s terms of service.
Critics say the site is selective in who it punishes and engages in so-called “shadowbanning,” which effectively makes a user’s post invisible to others without officially taking the account down.
Twitter has denied these allegations.
Dorsey’s tweet brings up a more fundamental question: If he agrees that the country is in the state of crisis that Leyden and Teixeira believe, does he feel an obligation to use all tools at his disposal to help the Democrats “win” this alleged second Civil War? Is Twitter — a social media site with considerable influence over the media’s day-to-day narrative — a vehicle for Dorsey to help accomplish this goal?
If the country is in as dire of a position as the Medium article claimed, how can Dorsey not feel an obligation to help steer the country away from collapse?
Dorsey did not respond to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment via Twitter after he disputed DCNF reporter Peter J. Hasson’s tweet that he “loves” Leyden’s piece.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: US Politics Thread
This is....concerning...
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey aroused controversy after labeling a Medium article “great” that claimed there’s no “bipartisan way forward” in the United States and that the country is engaged in a “fundamental conflict between two worldviews that must be resolved in short order.”
Dorsey shared the Medium article on his personal Twitter account Thursday night, with the accompanying acclaim that it was a “great read.”
Great read https://t.co/O2djSQf8Qv — jack (@jack) April 6, 2018
Author and media consultant Peter Leyden and political commentator Ruy Teixeira argued in the article titled “The Great Lesson of California in America’s New Civil War” that America is already in the midst of a second major domestic conflict of sorts and the way out is for the rest of the country to imitate California.“In this current period of American politics, at this juncture in our history, there’s no way that a bipartisan path provides the way forward,” they wrote. “The way forward is on the path California blazed about 15 years ago.”
Essentially, the authors called for a complete marginalization of the Republican Party and its voters since they only care “about rule by and for billionaires at the expense of working people” and not “average citizens.”
California, despite its mass wealth inequality, growing lack of social cohesion, poverty, and soaring housing costs “provides a model for America as a whole,” according to Leyden and Teixeira. Interestingly enough, they claimed the state’s economy is booming, although arguably not for long. They also oddly claimed the state is running on surpluses without acknowledging its debt crisis.
“The public is happy with its political leaders,” they noted. However, California Gov. Jerry Brown, a Democrat, has a 44 percent approval rating. The article also does not acknowledge that the state has seen tens of thousands of residents leave annually for the last few years.
Leyden and Teixeira are somewhat correct that America currently faces a dialectic of “two political cultures already at odds through different political ideologies, philosophies.” Yet, they do not call for Democrats to try to understand their political adversaries.
Instead, they proposed Americans “take the Republican Party down for a generation or two” in order to save the country.
“America can’t afford more political paralysis. One side or the other must win. This is a civil war that can be won without firing a shot. But it is a fundamental conflict between two worldviews that must be resolved in short order,” Leyden and Teixeira asserted.
Dorsey’s tweet comes in the midst of growing concerns about his website’s treatment of conservatives. Over the last few years, Twitter has banned a number of right-wing accounts that it says violate the site’s terms of service.
Critics say the site is selective in who it punishes and engages in so-called “shadowbanning,” which effectively makes a user’s post invisible to others without officially taking the account down.
Twitter has denied these allegations.
Dorsey’s tweet brings up a more fundamental question: If he agrees that the country is in the state of crisis that Leyden and Teixeira believe, does he feel an obligation to use all tools at his disposal to help the Democrats “win” this alleged second Civil War? Is Twitter — a social media site with considerable influence over the media’s day-to-day narrative — a vehicle for Dorsey to help accomplish this goal?
If the country is in as dire of a position as the Medium article claimed, how can Dorsey not feel an obligation to help steer the country away from collapse?
Dorsey did not respond to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment via Twitter after he disputed DCNF reporter Peter J. Hasson’s tweet that he “loves” Leyden’s piece.
I don’t think the premise is entirely flawed. Our hyper partisanship has made a constructive debate or discussion on many issues irreconcilable. On both sides of the aisle, people refuse to even have an intelligent discussion.
I think any effort to ostracize or remove republicans will backfire, with the 2016 election a great example of what happens when the elite and media attempt to condescend to the plebes.
The Democratic Party is going to fracture in the next few years. It can’t be the party of progressive values and cater to the blue collar working man. The GOP isn’t much better, but the tea party is dying out and they never had the control or push the far left has over the Dems.
But if you ever wanted evidence of fascism or authoritarian behavior, that article provides it. Whenever someone tells you ideas are too dangerous and not to question their narrative, you know they’re selling you a load of bullshit. Unfortunately a narrative has been implanted in the youth that the more extreme your views are, the more intelligent you must be. They want a Marxist revolution, but lack the testicular fortitude to make it happen. Social media has given them an illusion of power, but the people with the guns (military and police)are firmly in the law and order camp.
Re: US Politics Thread
misterID wrote:This is....concerning...
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey aroused controversy after labeling a Medium article “great” that claimed there’s no “bipartisan way forward” in the United States and that the country is engaged in a “fundamental conflict between two worldviews that must be resolved in short order.”
Dorsey shared the Medium article on his personal Twitter account Thursday night, with the accompanying acclaim that it was a “great read.”
Great read https://t.co/O2djSQf8Qv — jack (@jack) April 6, 2018
Author and media consultant Peter Leyden and political commentator Ruy Teixeira argued in the article titled “The Great Lesson of California in America’s New Civil War” that America is already in the midst of a second major domestic conflict of sorts and the way out is for the rest of the country to imitate California.“In this current period of American politics, at this juncture in our history, there’s no way that a bipartisan path provides the way forward,” they wrote. “The way forward is on the path California blazed about 15 years ago.”
Essentially, the authors called for a complete marginalization of the Republican Party and its voters since they only care “about rule by and for billionaires at the expense of working people” and not “average citizens.”
California, despite its mass wealth inequality, growing lack of social cohesion, poverty, and soaring housing costs “provides a model for America as a whole,” according to Leyden and Teixeira. Interestingly enough, they claimed the state’s economy is booming, although arguably not for long. They also oddly claimed the state is running on surpluses without acknowledging its debt crisis.
“The public is happy with its political leaders,” they noted. However, California Gov. Jerry Brown, a Democrat, has a 44 percent approval rating. The article also does not acknowledge that the state has seen tens of thousands of residents leave annually for the last few years.
Leyden and Teixeira are somewhat correct that America currently faces a dialectic of “two political cultures already at odds through different political ideologies, philosophies.” Yet, they do not call for Democrats to try to understand their political adversaries.
Instead, they proposed Americans “take the Republican Party down for a generation or two” in order to save the country.
“America can’t afford more political paralysis. One side or the other must win. This is a civil war that can be won without firing a shot. But it is a fundamental conflict between two worldviews that must be resolved in short order,” Leyden and Teixeira asserted.
Dorsey’s tweet comes in the midst of growing concerns about his website’s treatment of conservatives. Over the last few years, Twitter has banned a number of right-wing accounts that it says violate the site’s terms of service.
Critics say the site is selective in who it punishes and engages in so-called “shadowbanning,” which effectively makes a user’s post invisible to others without officially taking the account down.
Twitter has denied these allegations.
Dorsey’s tweet brings up a more fundamental question: If he agrees that the country is in the state of crisis that Leyden and Teixeira believe, does he feel an obligation to use all tools at his disposal to help the Democrats “win” this alleged second Civil War? Is Twitter — a social media site with considerable influence over the media’s day-to-day narrative — a vehicle for Dorsey to help accomplish this goal?
If the country is in as dire of a position as the Medium article claimed, how can Dorsey not feel an obligation to help steer the country away from collapse?
Dorsey did not respond to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment via Twitter after he disputed DCNF reporter Peter J. Hasson’s tweet that he “loves” Leyden’s piece.
I don’t think the premise is entirely flawed. Our hyper partisanship has made a constructive debate or discussion on many issues irreconcilable. On both sides of the aisle, people refuse to even have an intelligent discussion.
I think any effort to ostracize or remove republicans will backfire, with the 2016 election a great example of what happens when the elite and media attempt to condescend to the plebes.
The Democratic Party is going to fracture in the next few years. It can’t be the party of progressive values and cater to the blue collar working man. The GOP isn’t much better, but the tea party is dying out and they never had the control or push the far left has over the Dems.
But if you ever wanted evidence of fascism or authoritarian behavior, that article provides it. Whenever someone tells you ideas are too dangerous and not to question their narrative, you know they’re selling you a load of bullshit. Unfortunately a narrative has been implanted in the youth that the more extreme your views are, the more intelligent you must be. They want a Marxist revolution, but lack the testicular fortitude to make it happen. Social media has given them an illusion of power, but the people with the guns (military and police)are firmly in the law and order camp.
There is substantial evidence and economic theory to support the idea that republican policies lead to oligarchy....and l don’t think that’s good either.
It’s fair to say lower taxes leads to more money flooding into the private sector. The problem is what happens to it once it gets there.
Wages are stagnant...they have been for a long time. The whole republican philosophy on this is to keep labor cheap. I have a real problem with the Donald Trumps of the world who really have no skills to offer outside of money but seem to have a lot of control. What incentive does that person have to participate in the economy fairly? They don’t. So labor is squeezed for productivity and reimbursed the least. Trump always takes care of himself. Time and time again when Trumps projects failed (casinos, steaks, schools) many people were left in the lurch. Trump came out the better.
Those types of business practices hurt the economy as a whole.
