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Re: Brian interview 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgpdshu3PP8
Highlights:
Confirms Bucket joining Guns through Josh
Confirms Bucket getting him Guns gig once Josh quit
Mentions Bucket started recording parts on finished material immediately after joining
Mentions them writing stuff once they joined including "Shackler's" and "I'm Sorry"
"Axl got rid of Paul"
Says Bucket, Robin, and Richard were fighting for parts
It clarifies that Bucket recorded pre-Brain, so conceivably there was a working version of Chinese with Bucket and the "1999" band.
I don't think it had been stated that Axl got rid of Paul.
Re: Brian interview 2018
It clarifies that Bucket recorded pre-Brain, so conceivably there was a working version of Chinese with Bucket and the "1999" band.
Old news. He came in after Brian May, both compensating on the absence of Robin. The final Beavan cuts had Bucket on them, yes.
I wouldn't read too much into 'getting rid of Paul'. Brain just has a way of talking. I recall Paul once commented Axl by saying, 'We're still friends'.
- elevendayempire
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Re: Brian interview 2018
[*]Says Bucket, Robin, and Richard were fighting for parts[/*]
Ah, the absolute insanity of having three guitarists replacing two guitarists. In the eyes of the public it cements the view that Slash is irreplaceable ("They needed three guitarists to replace Slash!" – notwithstanding the fact that one of them was replacing Izzy). It creates unnecessary competition in the band as three lead-guitarist-quality players compete for the solo spots (a reprise of the "dinosaur fighting a giant snake" situation that developed when Axl tried to bring Zakk Wylde in to play with Slash). And it leads to confusion among the record-buying public because only someone with a PhD in Guns N' Roses can actually tell who's playing what at any given time on the album. Hell, it confused the camera crews filming the tour (look at all those times they zoom in on Robin when Bucket's playing) and they saw the show night after night.
Re: Brian interview 2018
Wagszilla wrote:[*]Says Bucket, Robin, and Richard were fighting for parts[/*]
Ah, the absolute insanity of having three guitarists replacing two guitarists.
I don't necessarily agree.
It's all in the execution. If the results are different, we interpret history differently.
But the project was mismanaged from the jump.
Axl wanted to change the sound and diversify to maintain relevance. Fine. But pick a hole... er... genre and stick with it. The chinese schmorgasbord sample platter approach for the album was flawed from day one. Same with the personnel.
Robin was a good means to an end in pursuit of a new direction but on a macro level he was a bad replacement for Slash. He could've been Izzy 2.0 and Bucket could've been Slash 2.0 but Robin got there first and rightfully felt spurned by Axl. He recreated the Slash/Wylde power vacuum when he could've built what he wanted from the ground up.
It could've been a two-guitarist outfit starting with Tobias and Finck (and Freese on drums), jettisoning the lineup after each album cycle. Finck could've been Shredder on a pretty rad album called Japanese Turtle Democracy but then Buckethead could've been Super Shredder on a sequel album called The Legend of The Red Splinter and the Secret of the Ooze.
Or it could've been a three-guitar unit that had clear demarcations in responsibilities and instead of cut-and-run approach with staff, Guns was a larger amorphous corporate unit that would utilize assets depending on how the market responded.
Or he could've stuck with two guitarists when Tobias left/was fired/whatever. Or he could've actually released an album in 2002. Maybe keeping Fortus round was a good move in case Robin bounced for NIN again in 2003/2004.
The possibilities for handling things differently are legion but the egg is on Big Ging.
Old news. He came in after Brian May, both compensating on the absence of Robin. The final Beavan cuts had Bucket on them, yes.
Bucket, yeah, but I never thought of Brain as being the drummer on the 2000 Beavan album. I guess in my mind I always put that at 2001.
- elevendayempire
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Re: Brian interview 2018
Nah, I think that the three guitarist thing was a fundamental mistake. Not just for the reasons outlined above, but because it creates instability in the line-up. If (when) one of them leaves, you have to replace them and everyone has to find their feet again. It reinforces the impression of a revolving door. For example: when Chinese Democracy finally came out, they had a video ready to go for Better that introduced the band; even then it had to include Buckethead and Bumblefoot. I'm convinced that it was shelved because Robin quit and Ashba joined, and it would've rendered the video absurd by introducing five guitarists who were "replacing Slash".
- FlashFlood
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Re: Brian interview 2018
Now that I think of it 3 guitars probably started because Huge blows and couldn’t handle all the rhythm parts, but Axl still wanted his binkie in the band.
Re: Brian interview 2018
For example: when Chinese Democracy finally came out, they had a video ready to go for Better that introduced the band; even then it had to include Buckethead and Bumblefoot. I'm convinced that it was shelved because Robin quit and Ashba joined, and it would've rendered the video absurd by introducing five guitarists who were "replacing Slash".
not really true my friend, that leaked video with multiple versions and cuts was made in August 2012, way way after the last lineup change.
and I still think the 3-guitar thing was great, because it made the sound so much thicker, more colourful, interesting, etc. I love how most of the songs have 3 guitar tracks (or more) and I can literally bath in the sound. of course, most "traditional fans" doesn't care about this because they're used to 2-guitar setup, I get it.
- elevendayempire
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Re: Brian interview 2018
elevendayempire wrote:For example: when Chinese Democracy finally came out, they had a video ready to go for Better that introduced the band; even then it had to include Buckethead and Bumblefoot. I'm convinced that it was shelved because Robin quit and Ashba joined, and it would've rendered the video absurd by introducing five guitarists who were "replacing Slash".
not really true my friend, that leaked video with multiple versions and cuts was made in August 2012, way way after the last lineup change.
and I still think the 3-guitar thing was great, because it made the sound so much thicker, more colourful, interesting, etc. I love how most of the songs have 3 guitar tracks (or more) and I can literally bath in the sound. of course, most "traditional fans" doesn't care about this because they're used to 2-guitar setup, I get it.
Personally I like the sound of Chinese Democracy and the live shows of the era (well, pre-Ashba anyway). But I can absolutely see how from a PR and logistics point of view it was a disaster.
