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- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: US Politics Thread
I’m all for demonstrating capability, I just don’t think the military is that approach. At least not from a mandatory standpoint. Our all volunteer military is the best in the world. And that’s in part because we don’t force people who don’t want to be there into our ranks. Nothing lowers morale and unit cohesion than members who don’t want to be there. A bunch of dreamers who are forced to serve or go back to their shithole country aren’t given much of a choice. They don’t really want to be there.
The military isn’t a jobs program, despite it having that partial effect. Doing this would force the troop strength to nearly double at first, with half being people who don’t want to be there.
I also don’t like the optics of telling brown people they need to risk their lives and dodge bullets in order to be an American.
I don’t know if I support a path to citizenship, but I know I’m not completely against it. But if we’re taking these people into our society, they should have to do what the people they’re claiming to emulate have done. That means keep your nose clean and develop a skill that pays a middle class income. None of these other millennials working a start up had to sacrifice their comfort and aide society.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t think it can be demeaning and I don’t think it involves the military as a primary qualifier.
Re: US Politics Thread
Ok. That wasn't really my point though. My point is that if they can show they can contribute positively by putting in 4 years in the military or some other public service for those that can't do the military for some reason, then they deserve to stay. At that point they will have earned it. You might even convince me to make it 4 years in the military or 4 years in college (or 2 years military after 2 years in trade school maybe learning a skill the military can use). I'm open to ideas, but they all have to include showing you won't just be a moocher.
Lmao you want immigrants to serve 4 years in the army where we can hopefully use them as cannon fodder..
That’s funny because a large portion of the civil war was fought with people fresh off the boat.
I’ll give you one thing though....if a FOB immigrant dies fighting stupid wars against North Korea and Iran it’ll keep people off welfare....they probably wouldn’t be alive lOng enough to collect more than a few checks if we have 3,wars going on...
Think of the beauty of it...we can send Cubans off to kill Koreans and Nigerians off to kill Iranians and us Americans can just get fatter and lazier...
Except until someone says that word again “Jowbs”....someone will definitely complain about jowbs being taken by illegals.
Re: US Politics Thread
I’m all for demonstrating capability, I just don’t think the military is that approach. At least not from a mandatory standpoint. Our all volunteer military is the best in the world. And that’s in part because we don’t force people who don’t want to be there into our ranks. Nothing lowers morale and unit cohesion than members who don’t want to be there. A bunch of dreamers who are forced to serve or go back to their shithole country aren’t given much of a choice. They don’t really want to be there.
The military isn’t a jobs program, despite it having that partial effect. Doing this would force the troop strength to nearly double at first, with half being people who don’t want to be there.
I also don’t like the optics of telling brown people they need to risk their lives and dodge bullets in order to be an American.
I don’t know if I support a path to citizenship, but I know I’m not completely against it. But if we’re taking these people into our society, they should have to do what the people they’re claiming to emulate have done. That means keep your nose clean and develop a skill that pays a middle class income. None of these other millennials working a start up had to sacrifice their comfort and aide society.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t think it can be demeaning and I don’t think it involves the military as a primary qualifier.
The dreamers should stay. They could update worker visas to keep the ones we need.
No one should he awarded citizenship for breaking into the country - most of them also commit identity theft, so no one can say they don't commit crimes, they're committing a big felony by sneaking into the country. Hispanic Americans are the #1 victims for identity theft, and illegals sure as shit don't care how they fuck their lives up, do they?
- Smoking Guns
- Rep: 330
Re: US Politics Thread
My biggest take away.... I keep hearing how educated African immigrants are. And how they are better than average Americans education wise. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. THEY ARE SAYING AFRICANS FROM AFRICA are smarter and more successful than African AMERICANS are. Holy shit this is eye opening. Based on what we keep hearing, it sounds like the education in Africa is better preparing their black youth than the USA. I knew our schools sucked but I didn’t realize it was worse than Africa. Who runs these urban areas where many blacks go to school? Democratic leadership. The democrats and their dependent state philosophy has done nothing but hold the blacks in America back. Every other nation that sends people to the US watches their people on average have a better life in the US on avearage, EXCEPT, people from Africa where they still seems to be way behind everyone else. This is sad as fuck to me and pisses me off. Our education system SUCKS. The fact Africans from Africa are blowing away African Americans should piss is all off.
- Smoking Guns
- Rep: 330
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: US Politics Thread
I don’t see the positive in this.
Obama increased suffering for momentary feel good stuff. This is what DACA and every other immigration move is about. Kick the can down the road instead of doing what the law says, then cry outrage when someone else enforces the rules.
Trump is the bad guy here, when the child and his relative should have been deported the moment he enrolled in school.
- Smoking Guns
- Rep: 330
Re: US Politics Thread
Smoking Guns wrote:I don’t see the positive in this.
Obama increased suffering for momentary feel good stuff. This is what DACA and every other immigration move is about. Kick the can down the road instead of doing what the law says, then cry outrage when someone else enforces the rules.
Trump is the bad guy here, when the child and his relative should have been deported the moment he enrolled in school.
This guy is married to an American and has kids and has no criminal background. This is not who I would target to deport. Everyone is watching. These types should be only looked at after every drug dealing gang banger is deported first. But no, let’s deport a man whose only crime is being here and TRIED to become legal. Just seems silly. Maybe he can come back soon. Maybe there is more to the story.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: US Politics Thread
Randall Flagg wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:I don’t see the positive in this.
Obama increased suffering for momentary feel good stuff. This is what DACA and every other immigration move is about. Kick the can down the road instead of doing what the law says, then cry outrage when someone else enforces the rules.
Trump is the bad guy here, when the child and his relative should have been deported the moment he enrolled in school.
This guy is married to an American and has kids and has no criminal background. This is not who I would target to deport. Everyone is watching. These types should be only looked at after every drug dealing gang banger is deported first. But no, let’s deport a man whose only crime is being here and TRIED to become legal. Just seems silly. Maybe he can come back soon. Maybe there is more to the story.
I’m sure the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are good people just trying to put food on the table. That doesn’t negate that he violated the law coming here. Borders are real and we can’t allow sob stories to let us forget that a law was broken and this man has no right to be here.
It’s like Buzz said the other day. Empathy and sympathy aren’t the same thing. Is this guy a priority, of course not. That doesn’t mean we ignore the court order another 9 years to make his eventual deportation that much more difficult.
These countries are shit holes. That’s why their people risk life and limb to come to America. We can’t let sob stories negate the rule of law. He had his day in court and the judge ruled to deport him.
Re: US Politics Thread
Smoking Guns wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:Obama increased suffering for momentary feel good stuff. This is what DACA and every other immigration move is about. Kick the can down the road instead of doing what the law says, then cry outrage when someone else enforces the rules.
Trump is the bad guy here, when the child and his relative should have been deported the moment he enrolled in school.
This guy is married to an American and has kids and has no criminal background. This is not who I would target to deport. Everyone is watching. These types should be only looked at after every drug dealing gang banger is deported first. But no, let’s deport a man whose only crime is being here and TRIED to become legal. Just seems silly. Maybe he can come back soon. Maybe there is more to the story.
I’m sure the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are good people just trying to put food on the table. That doesn’t negate that he violated the law coming here. Borders are real and we can’t allow sob stories to let us forget that a law was broken and this man has no right to be here.
It’s like Buzz said the other day. Empathy and sympathy aren’t the same thing. Is this guy a priority, of course not. That doesn’t mean we ignore the court order another 9 years to make his eventual deportation that much more difficult.
These countries are shit holes. That’s why their people risk life and limb to come to America. We can’t let sob stories negate the rule of law. He had his day in court and the judge ruled to deport him.
This is hardly a lawful land....we're constantly changing the rules to appease those who are in power and those who put them in power.
The law is a fluid and changing thing.
Again....all I hear if I listen close and read between the lines is....."I was here first!"
I really don't care what happens to these people anymore. I'm sick to death of arguing over the meaning of the law, and the letter of the law....personally I say fuck the law. It doesn't matter anymore...y'all are gonna do what you wanna do because (conservatives) are in control of the government....so just do it. There is no compromising to be done...the best political move is to allow Trump and his repugnants to get rid of these people. It'll make for great TV. All Republicans have done over the last 8-10 years now is try to change rules...this person can't vote anymore....that person needs this ID...Obama isn't even an American citizen...let's change voting districts...let's accuse people who vote for Democrats as vehicles of voter fraud.
Even after all that you want to talk about the letter of the law...pretend you're rational and talk about the greatness of America while simultaneously picking and choosing who should and shouldn't come...under the false pretense of 'the law.' The president is talking about about 'shitholes' or ' shithouses' or whatever and you're claiming this is about the law. Do you think Norwegians would be put to the same scrutiny as someone from Nigeria. I don't....and if they're not both held to the same standards then you can't claim this is about law anymore. This is about hatred. Always has been.
I just don't buy it....I don't buy what you're selling.
- Smoking Guns
- Rep: 330
