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Re: US Politics Thread
monkeychow wrote:If you're going to make society a contest then there has to be winners and losers.
"Taking Care Of Our Own" implies that there is a collaboration at play, rather than a competition for success.
Ideologically our systems weren't designed for everyone to be taken care of, they're based around the premise that the struggle of fighting each other for resources will lead to the greatest overall good. But that can only happen if the struggle is real and there's a real price for failure to compete.
As long as we have a system based around that type of ideology then you will never see us taking care of our own.
This was the best post on the topic and it’s virtually been ignored so we can engage in fantasy talk about which countries have immigrants that America wants.
Every time I say there are always going to be poor people and we should accept it you shit on me. Monkey says it and he's a hero. Interesting.
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Re: US Politics Thread
mitchejw wrote:monkeychow wrote:If you're going to make society a contest then there has to be winners and losers.
"Taking Care Of Our Own" implies that there is a collaboration at play, rather than a competition for success.
Ideologically our systems weren't designed for everyone to be taken care of, they're based around the premise that the struggle of fighting each other for resources will lead to the greatest overall good. But that can only happen if the struggle is real and there's a real price for failure to compete.
As long as we have a system based around that type of ideology then you will never see us taking care of our own.
This was the best post on the topic and it’s virtually been ignored so we can engage in fantasy talk about which countries have immigrants that America wants.
Every time I say there are always going to be poor people and we should accept it you shit on me. Monkey says it and he's a hero. Interesting.
Monkey is a wise man!
Re: US Politics Thread
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:This was the best post on the topic and it’s virtually been ignored so we can engage in fantasy talk about which countries have immigrants that America wants.
Every time I say there are always going to be poor people and we should accept it you shit on me. Monkey says it and he's a hero. Interesting.
Monkey is a wise man!
He is. There are always going to be rich people and there are always going to be poor people. Every society has that. Even socialist countries have it...there are just more poor people but maybe a few less dirt poor people. Increase minimum wage and we will still have poor people. In fact, we'll have more of them. The rich will still be rich, the poor will still be poor and the lower middle-class will be added to the poor category.
Re: US Politics Thread
monkeychow wrote:If you're going to make society a contest then there has to be winners and losers.
"Taking Care Of Our Own" implies that there is a collaboration at play, rather than a competition for success.
Ideologically our systems weren't designed for everyone to be taken care of, they're based around the premise that the struggle of fighting each other for resources will lead to the greatest overall good. But that can only happen if the struggle is real and there's a real price for failure to compete.
As long as we have a system based around that type of ideology then you will never see us taking care of our own.
This was the best post on the topic and it’s virtually been ignored so we can engage in fantasy talk about which countries have immigrants that America wants.
Well, since this is aimed at me, I wasn't engaging in fantasyland stuff. The argument of curbing the visa is countered by liberals who say that we want the best and brightest of those countries. I wasn't ignoring monkey's post. I was responding to the conversation. It was literally three posts between his and yours.
Re: US Politics Thread
I have no issues with that Trump said, though he (like me) could use some work on the delivery. The guy tells the truth as he sees it. Doesn't mean he's right all the time, but he says what a lot of people think (or say without 50 microphones in their face). I don't need the message sugarcoated. Just say it. All this worrying about hurting people's feelings is ridiculous. It's okay to have hurt feelings. It's okay to be insulted. This pussification of America is doing way more damage than it is doing good.
Why is bullying so effective? Because we don't teach kids how to handle adversity, so the second something happens, they crumble and have no idea how to recover. We don't teach them that there are winners and losers in life, so when they become the loser when life doesn't hand them a trophy for existing, they don't know how to handle it.
Millennials are actually onto some smart ideas. Flexible work arrangements is one I love. I saw a video on FB where they were making fun of the Millennial for not wanting to do 8 AM. Guess what? I don't want to do 8 AM either...I get it. But there are going to be times when 8 AM is necessary and they don't seem to grasp that side of it (as a whole, I am sure some do). Earn the credibility; then you can pitch not being there at 8 AM every day, but that's not how most of them think it works. Demand upfront. Get promoted every 6 months. Quit and go to a new job if they don't promote you in 6 months because they expect you to accomplish something worthy of promotion.
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Re: US Politics Thread
mitchejw wrote:monkeychow wrote:If you're going to make society a contest then there has to be winners and losers.
"Taking Care Of Our Own" implies that there is a collaboration at play, rather than a competition for success.
Ideologically our systems weren't designed for everyone to be taken care of, they're based around the premise that the struggle of fighting each other for resources will lead to the greatest overall good. But that can only happen if the struggle is real and there's a real price for failure to compete.
As long as we have a system based around that type of ideology then you will never see us taking care of our own.
This was the best post on the topic and it’s virtually been ignored so we can engage in fantasy talk about which countries have immigrants that America wants.
Well, since this is aimed at me, I wasn't engaging in fantasyland stuff. The argument of curbing the visa is countered by liberals who say that we want the best and brightest of those countries. I wasn't ignoring monkey's post. I was responding to the conversation. It was literally three posts between his and yours.
You made a good post ID. I agree with you.
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Re: US Politics Thread
I have no issues with that Trump said, though he (like me) could use some work on the delivery. The guy tells the truth as he sees it. Doesn't mean he's right all the time, but he says what a lot of people think (or say without 50 microphones in their face). I don't need the message sugarcoated. Just say it. All this worrying about hurting people's feelings is ridiculous. It's okay to have hurt feelings. It's okay to be insulted. This pussification of America is doing way more damage than it is doing good.
Why is bullying so effective? Because we don't teach kids how to handle adversity, so the second something happens, they crumble and have no idea how to recover. We don't teach them that there are winners and losers in life, so when they become the loser when life doesn't hand them a trophy for existing, they don't know how to handle it.
Millennials are actually onto some smart ideas. Flexible work arrangements is one I love. I saw a video on FB where they were making fun of the Millennial for not wanting to do 8 AM. Guess what? I don't want to do 8 AM either...I get it. But there are going to be times when 8 AM is necessary and they don't seem to grasp that side of it (as a whole, I am sure some do). Earn the credibility; then you can pitch not being there at 8 AM every day, but that's not how most of them think it works. Demand upfront. Get promoted every 6 months. Quit and go to a new job if they don't promote you in 6 months because they expect you to accomplish something worthy of promotion.
Good post, but when it comes to bullying, we do need to protect the weak. When a 5th grader picks on say a 3rd grader, that 5th grader needs beat down so he knows that crap isn’t acceptable. Like some gentle rubbing and shit talking is one thing. But there are kids that die and shit from bullying. Sometimes the bully needs his ass beat and I love seeing that happen. A bully is one of the shittiest people you can imagine. They prey on the weak. Nothing cool or noble about it.
Re: US Politics Thread
mitchejw wrote:monkeychow wrote:If you're going to make society a contest then there has to be winners and losers.
"Taking Care Of Our Own" implies that there is a collaboration at play, rather than a competition for success.
Ideologically our systems weren't designed for everyone to be taken care of, they're based around the premise that the struggle of fighting each other for resources will lead to the greatest overall good. But that can only happen if the struggle is real and there's a real price for failure to compete.
As long as we have a system based around that type of ideology then you will never see us taking care of our own.
This was the best post on the topic and it’s virtually been ignored so we can engage in fantasy talk about which countries have immigrants that America wants.
Every time I say there are always going to be poor people and we should accept it you shit on me. Monkey says it and he's a hero. Interesting.
If you claimed to me that there will always be poor i don’t recall it...at least i don’t recall it being explicit.
I guess that I (perhaps unfairly) always thought that at best you were fanning concern for the poor and disadvantaged.
If things are as monkey described...and i believe that they are...then any talk of concern for taking care of our own is a farce. I don’t buy it.
My interpretation of your stance has always been ‘i hope people get the help that they need but not if it ever comes at my personal expense.”
Correct me if I’m wrong on that.
Re: US Politics Thread
mitchejw wrote:monkeychow wrote:If you're going to make society a contest then there has to be winners and losers.
"Taking Care Of Our Own" implies that there is a collaboration at play, rather than a competition for success.
Ideologically our systems weren't designed for everyone to be taken care of, they're based around the premise that the struggle of fighting each other for resources will lead to the greatest overall good. But that can only happen if the struggle is real and there's a real price for failure to compete.
As long as we have a system based around that type of ideology then you will never see us taking care of our own.
This was the best post on the topic and it’s virtually been ignored so we can engage in fantasy talk about which countries have immigrants that America wants.
Well, since this is aimed at me, I wasn't engaging in fantasyland stuff. The argument of curbing the visa is countered by liberals who say that we want the best and brightest of those countries. I wasn't ignoring monkey's post. I was responding to the conversation. It was literally three posts between his and yours.
It was aimed at anyone who posted afterward with no acknowledgement. I have no comment on specific policy. I just know people have made similar comments about me (like Trumps) and it was more so about me being poor and white trash. And it just never feels good to me even when not directed at me.
Re: US Politics Thread
buzzsaw wrote:I have no issues with that Trump said, though he (like me) could use some work on the delivery. The guy tells the truth as he sees it. Doesn't mean he's right all the time, but he says what a lot of people think (or say without 50 microphones in their face). I don't need the message sugarcoated. Just say it. All this worrying about hurting people's feelings is ridiculous. It's okay to have hurt feelings. It's okay to be insulted. This pussification of America is doing way more damage than it is doing good.
Why is bullying so effective? Because we don't teach kids how to handle adversity, so the second something happens, they crumble and have no idea how to recover. We don't teach them that there are winners and losers in life, so when they become the loser when life doesn't hand them a trophy for existing, they don't know how to handle it.
Millennials are actually onto some smart ideas. Flexible work arrangements is one I love. I saw a video on FB where they were making fun of the Millennial for not wanting to do 8 AM. Guess what? I don't want to do 8 AM either...I get it. But there are going to be times when 8 AM is necessary and they don't seem to grasp that side of it (as a whole, I am sure some do). Earn the credibility; then you can pitch not being there at 8 AM every day, but that's not how most of them think it works. Demand upfront. Get promoted every 6 months. Quit and go to a new job if they don't promote you in 6 months because they expect you to accomplish something worthy of promotion.
Good post, but when it comes to bullying, we do need to protect the weak. When a 5th grader picks on say a 3rd grader, that 5th grader needs beat down so he knows that crap isn’t acceptable. Like some gentle rubbing and shit talking is one thing. But there are kids that die and shit from bullying. Sometimes the bully needs his ass beat and I love seeing that happen. A bully is one of the shittiest people you can imagine. They prey on the weak. Nothing cool or noble about it.
The weak empower the bully. People kill themselves because they can't handle the adversity. If kids could handle adversity on any level, a lot of bullying goes away. Bullying stops when there's no positive reinforcement for the bully. They move on.
And for the record I'm referring to the picking on someone emotionally, not physically.
