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What American would ever support this shit?
You seen Evo's locals?
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Thank god he'll only be remembered positively in the halls of academia by bull dykes and guys who like to watch their wives get fucked by other men.
Good thing we're not getting carried away by making sweeping generalizations of people.
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slcpunk wrote:It's been confirmed today that the Russians hacked into our electrical grid this time. Between this and meddling in our election, Trump continues to applaud Putin on Twitter.
Maybe one of you Trump supporters could explain this to us, because I'm really confused right now. We have a foreign country who essentially turned our latest election into a banana republic and is now actively fucking with our power grid. This is a digital attack on our country of epic proportions, and the President elect not only is publicly denying it's happening, but singing praises to the perpetrator.
What patriotic American would ever support this shit?
Except this isn't true. They didn't turn our election into a banana republic. Clinton was a horrible candidate and lost because people like you are content to just smugly dismiss other people. They didn't hack the power grid. They hacked a computer at a power plant with no access to production.
But the GOP told you Russia was a threat and you and Obama yucked it up, claiming the Russian threat wasn't real, but a man becoming a woman was real enough to ruin lives over not playing along.
Why aren't you upset Obama has been a fucking clown that has worsened our international standing? Why aren't you upset that Obama was on vacation in Hawaii or entertaining Jay Z while all this occurred. You were rabid at Bush for 9/11, calling him anything but a white man. But have remained silent on Obama's failure to control isis, Syria, China or Russsia. You backed an inexperienced child who lacked a single achievement and made our country worse for it. No amount of spin can alter the fact that less people are working, more are on welfare and the country is more divided than before he took office.
And your fucking response is to not only exaggerate what did happen, but put all blame on the guy who hasn't even been sworn in yet. You're why Trump won. You're why Obama has been allowed to behave more like a dictator than a president. And Obama is why Russia can fuck with our country with impunity. Hold your beliefs and the people you voted for accountable for their failures. Don't manufacture failures for someone not even in office yet. If Trump has a state dinner for Putin and let's him fuck his wife, then you can talk.
Default to Obama. That's all you got. No accountability. Good thing you voted for Hillary, when shit REALLY goes sideways you can go back to saying you voted for Clinton.
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mitchejw wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Well, he says he would have beaten Trump if allowed to run. What a fucking joke. He is more focused on saying shit like that "preserving husband legacy" that admitting failures and correcting those issues.
Is this one of those times that you call Trump out for saying stupid shit? No...it's when you continually bash your current president and beat the war drum of our douchiest president ever Donald Drumpf...
You don't criticize Trump ever....you don't....your mouth is too firmly wrapped around Trump's dick...
Bullshit it don't. I don't like Jeff Sessions. I am not wild about a few other if this cabinet. I don't like most of his tweets. But Obama has been in the office 8 years and seems to have not learned a damn thing.
This isn't about Obama. This is about Trump and Russia. Period.
Are you OK with Trump praising Putin after he was behind hacking our power grid(s) and our election? Are you OK with Trump hardly bothering to gather intelligence once a week because he's so "smart"? Can you say it, or must you always talk about Obama just like Flagg?
- Randall Flagg
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Randall Flagg wrote:slcpunk wrote:It's been confirmed today that the Russians hacked into our electrical grid this time. Between this and meddling in our election, Trump continues to applaud Putin on Twitter.
Maybe one of you Trump supporters could explain this to us, because I'm really confused right now. We have a foreign country who essentially turned our latest election into a banana republic and is now actively fucking with our power grid. This is a digital attack on our country of epic proportions, and the President elect not only is publicly denying it's happening, but singing praises to the perpetrator.
What patriotic American would ever support this shit?
Except this isn't true. They didn't turn our election into a banana republic. Clinton was a horrible candidate and lost because people like you are content to just smugly dismiss other people. They didn't hack the power grid. They hacked a computer at a power plant with no access to production.
But the GOP told you Russia was a threat and you and Obama yucked it up, claiming the Russian threat wasn't real, but a man becoming a woman was real enough to ruin lives over not playing along.
Why aren't you upset Obama has been a fucking clown that has worsened our international standing? Why aren't you upset that Obama was on vacation in Hawaii or entertaining Jay Z while all this occurred. You were rabid at Bush for 9/11, calling him anything but a white man. But have remained silent on Obama's failure to control isis, Syria, China or Russsia. You backed an inexperienced child who lacked a single achievement and made our country worse for it. No amount of spin can alter the fact that less people are working, more are on welfare and the country is more divided than before he took office.
And your fucking response is to not only exaggerate what did happen, but put all blame on the guy who hasn't even been sworn in yet. You're why Trump won. You're why Obama has been allowed to behave more like a dictator than a president. And Obama is why Russia can fuck with our country with impunity. Hold your beliefs and the people you voted for accountable for their failures. Don't manufacture failures for someone not even in office yet. If Trump has a state dinner for Putin and let's him fuck his wife, then you can talk.
Default to Obama. That's all you got. No accountability. Good thing you voted for Hillary, when shit REALLY goes sideways you can go back to saying you voted for Clinton.
Who else is there to blame? Trump isn't President. He has no connection to Putin. You don't think nor suggest Trump orchestrated or participated in the hacking? Trump's only comment advocating hacking, was an obvious jab at the 30k emails Clinton erased on the server no one claims was hacked by Russia.
If hacking occurred orchestrated by Russia, that means Obama's intelligence and security agencies failed. He sets the priority. My argument is Obama and the majority of the DNC ignored the threat Russia posed. This lack of attention is the only reason one can give for why our intelligence agencies missed it. How can you hold anyone other than Obama and his policies/focus accountable.
I want to move on past the petty bickering. Russia's a threat, glad we're all on board. But admit none of you gave a shit until the Russians aired the dirty laundry of the Democrats and brought the progressive ideology to its knees. So now that we're in agreement they're a threat, let's fucking do something about it. You know, what Obama failed to do the past 8 years as he denied they were an issue.
I also remember the Middle East being a lot more stable in January 2009 too, and the lack of regular terrorist attacks in Europe. But tell me again the great success of Obama's foreign and military policy.
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I also remember the Middle East being a lot more stable in January 2009 too, and the lack of regular terrorist attacks in Europe. But tell me again the great success of Obama's foreign and military policy.
I recall Obama cleaning the Republicans clock in January 2009 for 2 reasons:
1. End the War in the Middle East.
2. Economy sucked.
What did Obama do?
1. End the War in the Middle East.
2. Economy Improved.
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Randall Flagg wrote:I also remember the Middle East being a lot more stable in January 2009 too, and the lack of regular terrorist attacks in Europe. But tell me again the great success of Obama's foreign and military policy.
I recall Obama cleaning the Republicans clock in January 2009 for 2 reasons:
1. End the War in the Middle East.
2. Economy sucked.What did Obama do?
1. End the War in the Middle East.
2. Economy Improved.
And ending the war resulted in ISIS and the loss of stability in both Iraq and Syria. Just because an idea is popular doesn't mean it's right or the prudent course of action. You can't call the average person a dumbass and then say popular opinion is always the right answer.
I guess Obama deserves credit for the bailout, but I don't know if that was the best option or how much any policy contributes to the macro ability of the economy to having an interest in self correcting. I'm saying the market's upturn recently is due solely to business believing Trump will be better for commerce. I don't think that's a wild leap in assumption as Trump is advertising cutting regulation. Ability to provoke confidence in the system is just as important as massive policies that attempt to influence it.
If Trump does something stupid, we should call him on it. I just don't think feigned righteousness in a cause completely ignored months ago excuses the false narrative that Russia had any real impact on the election. They leaked the truth about the Democrats against a man who made outrageous and offensive comments in a manner unprecedented. It wasn't what the Democrats said that harmed them, it's that they fucking lied about it, got caught, then behaved like it's acceptable behavior they haven't rallied against. Then completely ignored its accuracy telling us to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. The great and powerful Putin was where we should be focused. And that's why I think their sudden disdain for Russia isn't genuine. It's solely from wanting revenge for shattering the facade of the Democratic Party.
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If we are being objective over the past 35 years here is my top pres ranking.
Reagan
Clinton
Bush Sr
Obama
Bush 43
Bush 43 got dealt a shitty fucking hand but he could have done more and the Iraq war was a cluster fuck.
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And ending the war resulted in ISIS and the loss of stability in both Iraq and Syria. Just because an idea is popular doesn't mean it's right or the prudent course of action.
I just feel this in incredibly short sighted logic...there will always be a faction or two that is against the US at all costs ESPECIALLY when we continue to meddle in other people's business based on false information.
From the beginning, I thought that 'war' was nothing more than the US waving their dicks around at the world to remind them that we are still king shit. It felt to me like 1990 Mike Tyson vs Glass Joe from Mike tyson's punch out.
From the get go...the objective wasn't really clear...we had no idea how long we would be there. Our standing army was artificially maintaining this contrived version of democracy. The second we left, they pretty much reverted back to what they were before...just without Saddam.
My basic point is...people gonna hate, especially when they see the red, white and blue dick being jammed down their throat to remind them who is in charge.
I just don't think feigned righteousness in a cause completely ignored months ago excuses the false narrative that Russia had any real impact on the election.
I think we all took Russia seriously...but we did not know how serious to take them. I have never in my life time (neither has my grandpa) seen someone cozy up so much to Russia as a president.
I'm really starting to believe there's somethign to the theory that, after Trump's Atlantic City mess, banks in the US blacklisted him and he had to go elsewhere for financing. I truly think this to be a possiblity...
He could put all the critics to bed on this if he would release his tax returns...but instead he blatantly lies to our faces about why he won't release his taxes and will settle any disputes within a few weeks to avoid having to disclose his tax returns.
There's way to much smoke here for us not to check on the source. You're continued denial of this is befuddling.
If we are being objective over the past 35 years here is my top pres ranking.
Reagan
Clinton
Bush Sr
Obama
Bush 43
I've said numerous times on this board that I still to this day do no understand all the jubilation surrounding Reagan.
He engaged in massive deficit spending for much for the 80s which I've been led to believe by all the Repugs running for office today that is a 'big no no.'
I'm not sure the direct intent of his spending was to finish off Russia and end the cold war. I do know he gets credit for that.
He was also in advanged stages of dementia when he left office. To me, it's just more of that macho man bravado that RF and SG enjoy so much. I'm not impressed by this...there was too much at stake.
