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polluxlm wrote:https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/803442781360422912
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Haha, the media is so irrelevant, Trump and his supporters go after them every chance they get.
Also, speaking of irrelevant, this is the first time I've heard of this guy.
Finally, you can definitely be an idiot and be rich and be president and be successful. The smartest people I've ever known never went to college or did anything "relevant" with their life.
The "dumbest" President is estimated to have had an IQ of 120 (Ulysses Grant).
I think you underestimate what it takes to become US President. Trump shows he is well above average with his wit alone.
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Smoking Guns wrote:She lost some weight since the blue dress incident. I would probably grudge fuck her hard.
Make grudge fucking great again SG!
Lol We all agree she was horrible. Can you imagine being married to her?
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The damage he's done is foster attitudes and an atmosphere that gives rise to people to express ignorant opinions & actions they should be ashamed of. He's enabled a hatred to become acceptable. He's lowered the standard of expectation with his behaviour. He's a bully.
You might have a point if you had been concerned about this eight years ago. Its why a lot of this is falling on deaf ears... at least as far as people who aren't partisan are concerned. The hypocrisy is literally off the charts and has been said before...one of the reasons he won.
& this thing about the media being propaganda wings of Hillary is bizarre. The media LOVE Trump & have given him unprecedented coverage, somewhere in the region of 5billion worth of FREE air time! They have helped elect him by keeping him as the sole news story. He tweets at 3am, they report it at 8 & run with it all day long, until he says something crass & vulgar the next morning and the cycle starts again.
Of course he uses it to his advantage. It doesn't change the fact they were behind Hillary 110%. They don't even deny it so I don't see why anyone would attempt to say otherwise.
They don't LOVE Trump. ONly thing they love is the ratings he can bring in.
Yeah they did help him win...but that was an accidental byproduct of the coverage. Had the media known that by constantly attacking him it would point out their own hypocrisy and enough people would wake up to the realization of what was going on, they would have laughed his candidacy off.
Go watch the election night coverage from here in the US. These people were basically having panic attacks on live TV. To insinuate they had no dog in this race is laughable.
I really don't understand where you Trump supporters are coming from on this, except of course singing from the hymn sheet you've been given.
Its not that difficult to understand. Pretty simple actually. The public woke up and some people aren't happy about that. I wish they had woke up to a better candidate than Trump but this is the hand we've been dealt.
Oh and that whole talking points thing gets old.
He didn't condemn the racist shit when he was using it as a platform to get elected, he already energised those people.
Why weren't you condemning the racist shit eight years ago? This is exactly what I was talking about. People are sick of it. Racism cant be good or bad depending on which guy you're voting for.
He has given voice to people that should've remained voiceless & on the fringes of the internet like Polluxlm here!
That's funny and quite insulting. Its ok to give a voice to black panthers and people so stupid they couldn't even tell you ONE thing Obama would change even though they were voting for him(they got this on video) but keep all Trump voters silent and scream outrage at all the supposed racist support.
His supporters & himself should be held accountable for the deplorable they've banded together with. You're too pussy to demand common decency & manners, all too willing to debase the process by supporting his bullying & pathetic behaviour & jump in bed with scumbags.
I repeat...where were you eight years ago and why was it fine and dandy then?
In 4-8years it could be a different name but the same argument.
Yeah...obviously.
You know I'm sure this has been mentioned before;
..But didn't you Randall go on a rant in the other election thread about sub races?
Meh. Black Panthers saluted Obama eight years ago. No one gave a fuck then....so not even the slightest fucks should be given now. Its the same goddamn thing.....a vocal yet extreme fringe minority weighing in and neither Obama or Trump should be held responsible for those views.
Hateful 'Trump' Notes Allegedly Aimed at Student Were Fabricated, University Says
Hateful notes and emails allegedly sent to a North Park University student were “fabricated,” the school’s president said Tuesday in a statement, and the woman who claimed they were aimed toward her is no longer enrolled at the school.
Of course it was bullshit.
From now on when the media has breaking news telling us about this garbage, I want the truth being pushed as breaking news as well.
I noticed a lot of conservatives were repeating this meme over the last week or so, but to have a President Elect repeating LIES whipped up by far right websites with absolutely zero evidence is seriously fucked up. In fact the only fraudulent voters who were arrested were Trump supporters. This is unbelievable to me...but I guess perhaps it's not. Given the fact free age we live in, I guess this is business as usual. SMFH.
Like I mentioned on your site, I want Trump to drop this twitter nonsense. When it reaches the point where our president elect is trolling bloggers, its time to move on from it.
How he even has the time to do that is beyond me.
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The Carrier plant in Indianapolis. The company had previously announced plans to move 2,000 factory jobs from Indiana to Mexico.
From the earliest days of his campaign, Donald J. Trump made keeping manufacturing jobs in the United States his signature economic issue, and the decision by Carrier, the big air-conditioner company, to move over 2,000 of them from Indiana to Mexico was a tailor-made talking point for him on the stump.
On Thursday, Mr. Trump and Mike Pence, Indiana’s governor and the vice president-elect, plan to appear at Carrier’s Indianapolis factory to announce a deal with the company to keep roughly 1,000 jobs in the state, according to officials with the transition team as well as Carrier.
Mr. Trump will be hard-pressed to alter the economic forces that have hammered the Rust Belt for decades, but forcing Carrier and its parent company, United Technologies, to reverse course is a powerful tactical strike that will hearten his followers even before he takes office.
“I’m ready for him to come,” said Robin Maynard, a 24-year veteran of Carrier who builds high-efficiency furnaces and earns almost $24 an hour. “Now I can put my daughter through college without having to look for another job.”
It also signals that Mr. Trump is a different kind of Republican, willing to take on big business, at least in individual cases.
And just as only a confirmed anti-Communist like Richard Nixon could go to China, so only a businessman like Mr. Trump could take on corporate America without being called a Bernie Sanders-style socialist. If Barack Obama had tried the same maneuver, he’d probably have drawn criticism for intervening in the free market.
In exchange for keeping the factory running in Indianapolis, Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence are expected to reiterate their campaign pledges to be friendlier to businesses by easing regulations and overhauling the corporate tax code, according to a spokeswoman for Mr. Trump.
The state of Indiana also plans to give economic incentives to Carrier as part of the deal to stay, according to local officials.
The message from Mr. Trump that captivated the Carrier workers — keeping manufacturing jobs in the United States after decades of losses to overseas factories and automation — resonated throughout the Rust Belt. That promise, plus his opposition to pacts like the North American Free Trade Agreement, were key reasons he was able to edge out Hillary Clinton in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.
Political symbolism aside, saving 1,000 Carrier jobs doesn’t loom so large in an economy that’s created an average of 181,000 jobs a month this year, noted Jared Bernstein, a liberal economist who served as adviser in the Obama administration from 2009 to 2011.
Still, he confessed a grudging admiration for Mr. Trump’s political jujitsu. “If I weren’t so scared of the damage a Trump administration might do, I’d find it refreshing to see an administration fighting for factory jobs like this,” he said. “That said, no one should confuse what Trump is doing here with sustainable economic policy.”
Over the long term, and for less prominent firms, the temptation to move to cheaper locales for manufacturing will stay great, said Robert Reich, a prominent liberal Democrat who served as secretary of labor in the Clinton administration.
“Memories are short but the economic fundamentals remain the same,” he said. “Wall Street is breathing down companies’ necks to cut costs, and the labor savings in Mexico is too great.”
Mr. Trump first announced he was talking to Carrier on Thanksgiving Day via Twitter, which the company quickly confirmed. The discussions have continued this week, and with a tentative deal in hand on Tuesday, transition officials scheduled Mr. Trump’s and Mr. Pence’s visit to Indianapolis.
“I didn’t think it would be this quick,” Mr. Maynard said.
While the standoff loomed large in the lives of its employees in Indiana, for United Technologies the forgone savings is tiny — equivalent to about 2 cents per share in earnings.
“Every penny counts, but if we step back and I’m looking at earnings of $6.60 per share this year, 2 cents is an easy concession if the president-elect listens to some of the company’s bigger concerns,” said Howard Rubel, a senior equity analyst with Jefferies, an investment banking firm in New York.
When Carrier announced in February that the two Indiana factories would be closing, it did offer benefits to employees facing layoffs, including paying for them to go back to school and retrain for other careers. Even with that, however, once the layoffs were to begin in mid-2017, most of the workers would have had a hard time finding jobs that paid anywhere near the $20 to $25 an hour that veteran line workers earn.
Carrier is best known for its air-conditioners, but it also sells a variety of other heating and cooling equipment for homes and businesses, like the gas furnaces and fan coils for electric furnaces made at the Indianapolis factory. The jobs in Indiana Mr. Trump has referred to are in two separate sites — the Carrier plant in Indianapolis, with 1,400 employees, and a United Technologies factory in Huntington, Ind., with 700.
While Carrier will forfeit some $65 million a year in savings the move was supposed to generate, that’s a small price to pay to avoid the public relations damage from moving the jobs as well as a possible threat to United Technologies’ far-larger military contracting business.
Roughly 10 percent of United Technologies’ $56 billion in revenue comes from the federal government; the Pentagon is its single largest customer. With $4 billion in profit last year, the company has the flexibility to find the savings elsewhere.
Members of Congress have been pressing to punish big military contractors if they move jobs outside the United States.
Many industrial companies face intense pressure from Wall Street to increase profits, even when the economy grows slowly — a major reason United Technologies decided to move.
That won’t change after Mr. Trump takes office — especially when hourly pay in the Indianapolis plant is equivalent to what workers in Mexico make in a day.
“This is a spot solution,” said Mohan Tatikonda, a professor at the Kelley School of Business at Indiana University. “If it goes through it helps some Carrier employees for a period of time, but it doesn’t address the loss of manufacturing jobs to technological change, which will continue.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/busin … .html?_r=0
Between this and the Ford plant, he's already saved thousands of jobs here and he's not even president yet.
How dare he do such a thing! Doesn't he know we're supposed to send these jobs overseas so the CEOs can rake in a few more mil and the workers get 25 cents an hour?
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Remember when Obama saved over a million car manufacturing jobs and they called him a socialist?
Edit: And to be clear, Trump isn't saving all of those jobs, only some are staying. The rest are going away. I am curious to know what the incentives were, and if the employees who keep their jobs here have to take pay cuts or not. I like the idea, I'd like to know more about the execution.
Edit 2: Looks like a 700k tax incentive and the threat of pulling (up to) 6.7 Billion in federal contracts away from Carrier's parent company United Technologies. So far that's all that is being reported.
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The Ford thing wasn't true, James. There was going to be no lost jobs to Mexico, it was a huge fat lie Trump told on Twitter. Yeah, Carrier was just one, there are way more manufacturing jobs in Indiana that are going to Mexico. I'm happy anytime jobs are saved, but I was reading that Carrier was going to save something like 68 million a year by going to Mexico. So I'm a little concerned what devil is in the details here. I've heard the employees would have to have their pay cut to at least $5 an hour. And another concern, whatever deal they're getting, what's going to stop more companies from going to Washington asking for a deal or threaten to go to Mexico. Let's see this play out.
Trump has hired nothing but inside Wall Street guys so far.
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Guys, it worked on this one so far. This will help 1,000 folks have a better Christmas. I don't care what they did to keep them here, they did it. Obviously it can't be ridiculous but this was a good thing no doubt.
