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mitchejw wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:If you feel Bush caused the financial collapse of 2008 you are a fucking idiot. Bush's admin were the only cock suckers around trying to fix the housing crisis while Dems screemed "EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO A HOME!"
Getting a little too big for your britches here.
The policies leading to the financial crisis/housing crisis first started in the late 70's but in the mid 90's were put into high gear and by the time the early 2000's the subprime lending market was at an all time high. Bush didn't cause any of that. When his admin noticed the trends prior to the collapse they were basically told to shut the fuck up
Did I say that? No, I didn't, and if that's all you got from my post, grow up.
It amazes me you guys have sat here all this time, blaming everything terrible on Obama, refusing to put any blame on republicans, or W and refusing to acknowledge any good he did. Yet here you and are, Randall, and you are no position to suddenly be the voice of reason here. I will feel how I feel, with legitimate concern. I'm not saying the world will end, but if you all can continually put the economic woes on Obama, I'm going to hold Trump to the same standard. And his fiscal ideology that he wants to intact has a very real history of wrecking the economy.
Since its starting bubble out that Russia did in fact work with the Trump campaign to get him elected, if it comes out that they knew about the hacks, if they were connected with wikileaks in anyway, that disqualifies him and the delegates should vote against Trump. That's not even counting the FBIs involvement. I'm now waiting to see how this plays out in the next few weeks...
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Re: US Politics Thread
Smoking Guns wrote:mitchejw wrote:Getting a little too big for your britches here.
The policies leading to the financial crisis/housing crisis first started in the late 70's but in the mid 90's were put into high gear and by the time the early 2000's the subprime lending market was at an all time high. Bush didn't cause any of that. When his admin noticed the trends prior to the collapse they were basically told to shut the fuck up
Did I say that? No, I didn't, and if that's all you got from my post, grow up.
It amazes me you guys have sat here all this time, blaming everything terrible on Obama, refusing to put any blame on republicans, or W and refusing to acknowledge any good he did. Yet here you and are, Randall, and you are no position to suddenly be the voice of reason here. I will feel how I feel, with legitimate concern. I'm not saying the world will end, but if you all can continually put the economic woes on Obama, I'm going to hold Trump to the same standard. And his fiscal ideology that he wants to intact has a very real history of wrecking the economy.
Since its starting bubble out that Russia did in fact work with the Trump campaign to get him elected, if it comes out that they knew about the hacks, if they were connected with wikileaks in anyway, that disqualifies him and the delegates should vote against Trump. That's not even counting the FBIs involvement. I'm now waiting to see how this plays out in the next few weeks...
I don't blame the collapse on Obama. Was just clarifying Bush didn't cause the 2008 collapse due to a tax cut.
Re: US Politics Thread
Since its starting bubble out that Russia did in fact work with the Trump campaign to get him elected, if it comes out that they knew about the hacks, if they were connected with wikileaks in anyway, that disqualifies him and the delegates should vote against Trump. That's not even counting the FBIs involvement. I'm now waiting to see how this plays out in the next few weeks...
Sorry, but it's extremely unlikely anything like this happens. Even if the Russians come out and pat each other on the back, there's really no recourse. He could be impeached or something (step down) but then Pence becomes President anyway. So it's done.
Someone earlier mentioned the electorial college is free to vote for whoever they want. They are, but I'm pretty sure they are chosen by their party, and with that their voting record & interest/volunteer patterns or something. So they know they are getting hardcore Republican or Democratic supportes. It'd be unlikely any of them would turn. It's not quite the same as primary delegates.
I may be wrong on a bit of that, or mixing it upwith delegates but I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
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In regards to the electoral college:
Are there restrictions on who the Electors can vote for?
There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their states. Some states, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by state law and those bound by pledges to political parties.
The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties' nominees. Some state laws provide that so-called "faithless Electors" may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged.
Today, it is rare for Electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party's candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged.
List of State Laws and Requirements Regarding the Electors
verified as of March 1, 2016
The Office of the Federal Register presents this material for informational purposes only, in response to numerous public inquiries. The list has no legal significance. It is based on information compiled by the Congressional Research Service. For more comprehensive information, refer to the U.S. Constitution and applicable Federal laws.
Legal Requirements or Pledges
Electors in these States are bound by State Law or by pledges to cast their vote for a specific candidate:
ALABAMA – Party Pledge / State Law – § 17-19-2
ALASKA – Party Pledge / State Law – § 15.30.040; 15.30.070
CALIFORNIA – State Law – Elections Code § 6906
COLORADO – State Law – § 1-4-304
CONNECTICUT – State Law – § 9-175
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA – DC Pledge / DC Law – § 1-1001.08(g)
FLORIDA – Party Pledge / State Law – § 103.021(1)
HAWAII – State Law – §§ 14-26 to 14-28
MAINE – State Law – § 805
MARYLAND – State Law – § 8-505
MASSACHUSETTS – Party Pledge / State Law – Ch. 53, § 8, Supp.
MICHIGAN – State Law – §168.47 (Violation cancels vote and Elector is replaced.)
MISSISSIPPI – Party Pledge / State Law – §23-15-785(3)
MONTANA – State Law – § 13-25-304
NEBRASKA – State Law – § 32-714
NEW MEXICO – State Law – § 1-15-5 to 1-15-9 (Violation is a fourth degree felony.)
NORTH CAROLINA – State Law – § 163-212 (Violation cancels vote; elector is replaced and is subject to $500 fine.)
OHIO – State Law – § 3505.40
OKLAHOMA – State Pledge / State Law – 26, §§ 10-102; 10-109 (Violation of oath is a misdemeanor, carrying a fine of up to $1000.)
OREGON – State Pledge / State Law – § 248.355
SOUTH CAROLINA – State Pledge / State Law – § 7-19-80 (Replacement and criminal sanctions for violation.)
VERMONT – State Law – title 17, § 2732
* VIRGINIA – State Law – § 24.1-162 (Virginia statute may be advisory – “Shall be expected” to vote for nominees.)
WASHINGTON – Party Pledge / State Law – §§ 29.71.020, 29.71.040, Supp. ($1000 fine.)
WISCONSIN – State Law – § 7.75
WYOMING – State Law – §§ 22-19-106; 22-19-108
Re: US Politics Thread
Basically assuming she losses Michigan, which is still close.... the Texas electorate switching to Hillary (which isn't going to happen) would give her the election. Exactly 270 then.
Although a DC elector said he isn't giving Hillary their vote even though she won;
It's happened twice since 2000 too;
In 2000 a DC elector refused to vote for Gore (but he'd obviously already lost)
In 2004 a Minnesota elector voted for Edwards instead of Kerry (which again didn't matter).
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Most of you will never be happy with Trump.
This is much different than the right/left tribal schism that goes round n' round.
Most people tend to believe caricatures of their opponent-some are much more guilty of this than others. Conservatives believed all kinds of nutty things about Obama: He was a socialist, hated America, had terrorist ties, had a gay lover, was born in Kenya, was a secret Muslim and so on. But none of this was born from anything Obama actually said or did. It was all non-sense spun from half truths, dark corners of the web, videos purposely edited and shown out of context etc.
But you're right, I'll never be happy with Trump.
People hate Trump not because of what we've been told about him by liberal websites, but by what comes out of his mouth. He gives endless reasons for people to find him repugnant, stupid and dangerous. They've all been pointed out here before. So yes for me, I will not give this man a chance. He embodies the worst parts of humanity on numerous levels and is clearly not qualified to be POTUS. Not even remotely close.
I understand people want to destroy the status quo, I get it. But anybody who thinks this is a good idea is either a complete imbecile, is morally bankrupt or both.
Re: US Politics Thread
mitchejw wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:If you feel Bush caused the financial collapse of 2008 you are a fucking idiot. Bush's admin were the only cock suckers around trying to fix the housing crisis while Dems screemed "EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO A HOME!"
Getting a little too big for your britches here.
The policies leading to the financial crisis/housing crisis first started in the late 70's but in the mid 90's were put into high gear and by the time the early 2000's the subprime lending market was at an all time high. Bush didn't cause any of that. When his admin noticed the trends prior to the collapse they were basically told to shut the fuck up
This is one lie I hate more than anything (after Iraq lies)
The subprime mess had nothing to do with the community reinvestment act. The subprime loans were handed out like candy, financed by Wall Street. They had nothing to do with the government. Do you think Dodd-Frank was created to oversee some government policy that originated in the 70's? The entire point was to place regulations on these hedge funds and "mortgage companies" so they wouldn't do that shit again and crash the economy.
Bush and his Republican congress didn't do anything either. The notion that "they tried to stop" this buying frenzy is laughable. Name one piece of legislation that they put forth in regards to this? A: Nothing.
Re: US Politics Thread
Since its starting bubble out that Russia did in fact work with the Trump campaign to get him elected, if it comes out that they knew about the hacks, if they were connected with wikileaks in anyway, that disqualifies him and the delegates should vote against Trump. That's not even counting the FBIs involvement. I'm now waiting to see how this plays out in the next few weeks...
Information about his connection is just starting to trickle out. There doesn't seem to be much yet, but I'm guessing more is on the way. There were ties to Russia for sure though.
This entire election...something fishy with Russia. I have no idea of what, but there sure are a lot of things that don't seem right: wiki leaks, Russian ties, refusal to release his tax returns, the FBI announcement. I hope somebody can connect the dots eventually and spill the beans.
Trump has a court date coming up for his scam real estate school too. Class act I tell you, class act.
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- Smoking Guns
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Re: US Politics Thread
Smoking Guns wrote:mitchejw wrote:Getting a little too big for your britches here.
The policies leading to the financial crisis/housing crisis first started in the late 70's but in the mid 90's were put into high gear and by the time the early 2000's the subprime lending market was at an all time high. Bush didn't cause any of that. When his admin noticed the trends prior to the collapse they were basically told to shut the fuck up
This is one lie I hate more than anything (after Iraq lies)
The subprime mess had nothing to do with the community reinvestment act. The subprime loans were handed out like candy, financed by Wall Street. They had nothing to do with the government. Do you think Dodd-Frank was created to oversee some government policy that originated in the 70's? The entire point was to place regulations on these hedge funds and "mortgage companies" so they wouldn't do that shit again and crash the economy.
Bush and his Republican congress didn't do anything either. The notion that "they tried to stop" this buying frenzy is laughable. Name one piece of legislation that they put forth in regards to this? A: Nothing.
Please watch then comment, of course it is Fox so I assume you may just dismiss the whole fucking segment.
