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pollux those polls were 6-4 months before hand. Things changed in the final few weeks and leave started leading.
You're taking the piss using those polls. That was before campaigning even officially began.
Indeed. In early June most polls had the leave camp ahead by a small margin of a couple of points (that's 4 weeks before the actual vote, e.g. much more comparable to the current polls on the presidency). In the last couple of days before the Brexit vote, the polls had the two camps in a dead heat. So effectively, the relevant polls (as in: the ones that were conducted near the closing of the campaign) turned out to be right on the mark.
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Hindsight is 20/20 eh? Yeah, online polls...which the British media told you not to trust, until they had no choice. Have we really forgotten this already?
The final polls ahead of Britain’s historic referendum decision have pointed to a Remain victory, amid reports of high turnout across the country.
An online Populus poll, the last conducted before voting began, gave Remain a 10-point lead, 55 to 45, its strongest performance in days.
Throughout the referendum campaign, online polls have tended to favour the Leave side.
A telephone poll, also published on polling day, for Ipsos MORI in the Evening Standard, also gave Remain the lead but by a smaller 52 to 48 margin.
An online YouGov poll last night gave Remain a 51-49 lead, while a telephone poll for ComRes had Remain leading 54-46.
Election forecasting experts said that for Leave to win now, it would represent an even bigger polling error than was seen ahead of 2015 or 1992 General Elections.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po … 97261.html
I don't know about you, but this here is looking like a pretty similar scenario to what is going on in America right now.
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misterID wrote:James Lofton wrote:Not all of them...just some.
It will be like 2008 with Obama. People creaming their jeans but when she gets in there and its same as it ever was, the arrogance starts to go down a few notches.
Also.....back when Obama was crucifying her eight years ago, some of the same people playing along with that are now fully supporting her.
I supported her over Obama
He blew his political capital early on, and didn't know how to handle republicans. He was in over his head, but I still like him. She won't be a deer in the headlights.
That's why I said some...not all.
He had a majority in both houses for two years and pissed it all away doing nothing but extending various Bush policies and executive orders and of course Obamacare.
She'll also keep those same trains running on time.
I don't know why you say nothing? There was a lot to do in that first year in office.
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James Lofton wrote:He had a majority in both houses for two years and pissed it all away doing nothing but extending various Bush policies and executive orders and of course Obamacare.
She'll also keep those same trains running on time.This is very true, but it also seems most Americans either don't realize this, or actually think that it is a good thing. We shouldn't forget that Obama's approval ratings are at their highest right now, and that he improved upon his 2004 election results in 2008. He (and by extension the Democrats) are being rewarded by the electorate. It seems that a large majority of people don't seem to agree with all the doom and gloom messaging coming from Trump and the GOP.
They are high ONLY because the country is so divided over the election so by comparison to the election OBAMA seems okay and he hasn't done shit for the past year really...
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Syria, Russian expansion, Iraq, will be what OBAMA is judged most hardly in for decades.
Obama said he had to leave Iraq because they didn't want us there anymore... and because he was doing what Bush had started. YET we have over 5,000 troops in Iraq right now and nobody says shit. So there goes that argument.
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TheMole wrote:James Lofton wrote:He had a majority in both houses for two years and pissed it all away doing nothing but extending various Bush policies and executive orders and of course Obamacare.
She'll also keep those same trains running on time.This is very true, but it also seems most Americans either don't realize this, or actually think that it is a good thing. We shouldn't forget that Obama's approval ratings are at their highest right now, and that he improved upon his 2004 election results in 2008. He (and by extension the Democrats) are being rewarded by the electorate. It seems that a large majority of people don't seem to agree with all the doom and gloom messaging coming from Trump and the GOP.
They are high ONLY because the country is so divided over the election so by comparison to the election OBAMA seems okay and he hasn't done shit for the past year really...
These excuses are not only flimsy but childish. The Obama hate is so thick no one wants anything good to be associated with Obama, even approval polls. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but his approval ratings were good before the election.
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James Lofton wrote:misterID wrote:I supported her over Obama
He blew his political capital early on, and didn't know how to handle republicans. He was in over his head, but I still like him. She won't be a deer in the headlights.
That's why I said some...not all.
He had a majority in both houses for two years and pissed it all away doing nothing but extending various Bush policies and executive orders and of course Obamacare.
She'll also keep those same trains running on time.
I don't know why you say nothing? There was a lot to do in that first year in office.
Of course there was a lot to do. Renewing the Patriot Act, extending the Bush tax cuts, keeping Guantanamo open for business.....
