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Acquiesce wrote:LOL you try to imply Hillary is a racist because of her association with a former racist, but drop a load in your diaper when someone wonders what it must mean for Trump defenders. I can post his comments about Mexicans or judge Curiel or being sued for discrimination back in the day and you'll just deny he is a racist. That's fine. People tend to keep their racism in the closest so I don't expect you to admit Trump at the very least makes bigoted comments. I'll stop posting about it when I want to stop posting about it, thank you very much.
No, I want a level playing field. Either association is okay for both or it isn't. If Trump is racist by association, so is she. It's amazing how people justify selectively burying their heads in the sand and try to make you out to be the bad guy for calling them on it.
The problem is Trump has a history of racist words and actions so no one is claiming he is merely racist by association. His racists supporters are brought up to further strengthen the evidence that he is racist because why else would they be enthusiastically supporting him in droves? He speaks their language. At best he is an opportunist who decided to kick off his campaign by speaking to the dregs of society. If he was simply against illegal immigration he would have just said that. He took it to a new level.
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What racist words? People always say he says stuff. What did he say?
This guy says it much better than I do...
My phone blew up today after the “Trump said awful things in 2005” story broke. As one of the stalwart Trump apologists this go-round, I guessed it was time to take my lumps and admit defeat.
My HRC-voting friends couldn’t wait to throw this pie full of smoking gun in my face and rub it all over my moderate-voter “fiscal conservative, social liberal” nostrils. I was finished, me and my orange buffoon candidate.
That was, until I started actually thinking about it.
Actual real thought, beyond the context of the absurd, misogynistic things Donald Trump said years ago while he was busy “not running for president.” You know, the Donald Trump who doesn’t have ex-wives appearing before cameras bashing him or children who have much other than praise for a very devoted father. But he says stupid, noteworthy things, even regarding his daughters.
On the other end of the text messages and phone calls were friends of mine whose language, much like my own, has gotten highly “not live-mic worthy” over the years.
I admit it. I say godawful things in private, on many topics. So does every single person who suddenly morphed into a Sunday-dressed cleric and couldn’t wait to regale me with stories of Donald Trump’s filthy mouth.
This campaign is completely devoid of any substance, as our regularly scheduled presidential election season has been replaced by a smarmy tabloid slugfest on both sides.
On one side, you have a power hungry First Lady who transformed into an unremarkable Senator followed by a humdinger of a lousy term as Secretary of State. She lost in 2008 to a a community organizer The Left can’t wait to escort into sainthood, nevermind the fact $9,000,000,000,000 has been added to our national debt and the #1 topics as he scoots out of office are our miserable state of race relations and the explosion of ISIS.
It’s so bad we have lost our international respect, and our president is told to “Go to hell” you “son of a whore” by Rodrigo Duterte, the president of Philippines. Duterte has vowed to “kill as many people as Hitler” if necessary to rid his country of a drug trade which has brought it to its knees. Duterte, by the way, has a popularity rating in his nation far in excess of our president or either of our current viable candidates.
While Hillary was designing her “Pivot to Asia” as SecState, Bill was dutifully traversing Asia collecting giant speaking fees on behalf of that delightful Clinton Foundation. Just coincidence?
Look at Asia now. Our relations with Russia have taken a nose dive, yet apparently it’s a terrible thing to have good relations with Russia - just ask anyone inside the Trump campaign who has spent time doing business in that part of the world. Philippines, which was our territory after the Spanish-American war, is now telling us they don’t need our military and we can go screw ourselves. So much for that highly essential logistic partnership, they’ll “pivot toward Asia” and express a preference for a nation which is actually their mortal enemy, China.
The world is very unconcerned with our pretend morality, telling us instead to reign in our police or they’ll send in international monitors to report on our descent into third world status - and sadly many of our inner cities qualify.
Great job, Obama. All you need to do now is bulldoze the White House as a final act of contrition, because the next president (likely Hillary) is going to preside over a miserable cleanup effort and a literal rebuilding of this broken nation. Except she can’t pull it off. We know this. We have watched her for decades. Can Trump? Who knows. We do know she cannot. This fact motivates me.
One of my friends asked me a few weeks ago: “You usually seem so thoughtful, how could YOU possibly vote for Donald Trump?” Oh, let me count the reasons.
President Obama is leaving us with healthcare truly in shambles, the rise of Black Lives Matter and a debtload which he called “unpatriotic” while scolding George W. Bush for far less. That crazy war Bush started? Unfinished, not fixed, two terms later. By many accounts, much worse. Thanks, Obama.
On the other side of the campaign, you have one of the world’s most or least successful businessmen - depending on who’s counting the money or publishing decades old tax returns.
He’s racist - he employs thousands of virtually every race, color, creed, origin, preference, you name it. He’s so racist if you walk into virtually any major Trump property it looks like the lobby at UN. No, he’s not racist, he’d like us to adhere to these nutty concepts called “immigration laws.”
I watched the legit immigration process this year as a Filipino native moved here. It’s brutal, it’s time consuming, it’s invasive and most of all terribly expensive. Everyone who walks in unnoticed and unaccounted for spits in the face of everyone who does it legally, and among the smartest things ever uttered was “immigration must benefit the receiving nation.”
“Trump made his ties and promotional items in China and bought Chinese steel.” All completely irrelevant, as he and his companies have to make decisions based upon profit and loss. His goal is ultimately to make American industry stronger and more competitive, something which receives only shrill mention during campaigns and is promptly forgotten while our actual manufacturing employment plummets.
BUT HILLARY IS FOR WOMEN AND TRUMP SAID HORRIBLE THINGS
This is all the rage today, this October surprise of Donald Trump’s naughty man-mouth. My beloved hypocritical friends aside who bombed my phone all day with “Trump said grab p****”, let’s see how much good Hillary does for women.FULL DISCLOSURE: I have to be honest about this so there is no confusion where my loyalties lay. I have checked, and both of my daughters are women. Both of them.
Since it wasn’t politically expedient for her to be anything but an enemy to Monica Lewinsky, she decided to report that Ms. Lewinsky was a “narcissistic loony toon.”While her book Living History discusses how she “gulped for air” when Bill revealed his indiscretions, one wonders if she was still gulping air to spew all the hatred and discredit from years past when she was throwing Gennifer Flowers and Kathleen Willey down various flights of stairs.
Willey: “She used moblike tactics to silence me.”
“Her tactics and the things that she set in motion against all the women like me, the ones you have heard of and the ones you haven’t heard of, and the ones who are so scared that fled the country, are terrorist tactics like I’ve never seen before.”
“I went through them. I lived through them. And I know exactly what I am talking about. She is the war on women. I don’t care what anybody says.”
Oh, but no. Clinton is a saint for women because she agrees with partial birth abortion and believes it’s perfectly okee-dokee for Saudi Arabia to treat women like perpetual minorities, murder gay people and donate $25 million to her foundation.
There are a lot of smart women who see through Hillary Clinton and were on the rush for Bernie Sanders, a white male avowed socialist who young women flocked to until he was bested by Hillary (and the Democratic Party home office.)
Atlanta attorney Anoa Changa, 34, was one of these women who saw the truth of who Hillary actually is - and what her “glass ceiling” doesn’t mean for females in this country.
“I reject this brand of feminism. I’m not only voting for my gender, I’m voting for other issues.”
“...there are a lot of issues that affect low-income women, immigrant women and women of color that her brand of doing things is not going to address.”
She also didn’t have much great to offer about President Obama:
“Yay, I get to look at someone who looks like me, but what does that mean when my life chances aren’t directly affected?”
So what are her comments today?
Here is a female, black Atlanta attorney who seems to be placing her political bets based on thought rather than pure ideology.
Is she voting Trump? I’d say 0/10 chance of that. She has terribly critical things to say about him, and about Hillary Clinton. And rightfully so.
“Trump is disgusting. But please stop acting like you are some moral warrior for denouncing him. “
“Black children under attack all over the country but by all means keep all this focus on Trump. Defeat him and then what? Back to normal?”
IF YOU WANT TO HATE DONALD J. TRUMP FOR SAYING HORRIBLE THINGS, you certainly can.
But here’s what no one can do:
1) No one can vote for Hillary Clinton because she has lived with a strong, unyielding focus on women’s rights - personally, legislatively or otherwise.
2) No can vote for Hillary Clinton because she has been a consistent supporter and champion of LGBT rights, up to and including direct involvement in nations which murder gays while deeply objectifying women.
3) No one can make the claim that Hillary is even the leading choice for the next generation of feminists, because that mantle clearly belongs to Bernie Sanders (Note: Not female).
Young women especially are highly tuned to concepts which affect their future, and have grown up in a generation which is learning to sift bullshit at an early age.
Gone are the days when young females worshiped the Gloria Steinam brand of feminism and cared much if Madeline Albright tells them they’ll go to hell for not supporting Hillary. (Granted, the ‘special place in hell’ statement was tongue in cheek. Which is not allowed. Except if you’re on the left.)
Donald Trump’s statements from 2005 were misogynistic trash, rude and deserving of general repulsion.Yet, Hillary R. Clinton’s actions, for years, have been misogynistic trash, rude and deserving of general repulsion.
Let’s make sure we keep our eye on the facts, and spread the thick layer of hypocrisy everywhere it needs to find a home.
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buzzsaw wrote:No, I want a level playing field. .
Nobody cares what you want. Too bad!
Nobody here owes you anything, and certainly not that.
Edit: and the reality is that you don't want fair, you want your version of fair.
Oh no son, I want fair, not your version of fair.
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I think this was the tipping point. The entire GOP base have put him on blast after this, including Priebus.
It's over, Trump is toast. I'm going to enjoy watching his sad descent. 
Even more sad will be watching the Trump apologists (here and elsewhere) excuse overt racism, misogyny, and the daily insanity this man brings to the table. I commend Flagg, who drives me crazy sometimes, but at least as the capacity to be honest with what he sees, a choice between sane and insane.
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Lol at those that think medical reasons are why many abortions happen.... those are a very VERY small percentage. Most abortions are from people that like to fuck but don't want the inconvenience of kids. I get it. But they have condoms and birth control and ovulation scheldules. To get pregnant you are either trying, stupid, or extremely unlucky like a condom breaks and your other medicine negated the affects of the birth control.
You are dliberatlely twisting what we said to fit your BS argument. I said the main reason for LATE TERM abortions are medical, not all abortions. What woman wants to get an abortion? You're acting like they're treating it like birth control and that just isn't true.
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Federal Judge Ronnie Abrams has ordered a December status conference hearing after a woman, who calls herself “Jane Doe,” filed a lawsuit claiming that Trump raped her when she was 13 years old in the 1990s. This is the third attempt the plaintiff has made in filing this particular lawsuit. Last Friday, she filed an amended complaint, with a new “witness” named “Joan Doe.” The plaintiff and witnesses in the case are using pseudonyms, they say, to protect their identities.
“In the 1994-95 school year, I was told by the plaintiff in Jane Doe v. Trump and Epstein (1:16-cv-04642, SDNY) that the plaintiff was subject to sexual contact by the Defendants at parties in New York City during the summer of 1994,” one of the witnesses said in a declaration.
The complaint alleges billionaire convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein had a woman pickup teenage girls for his famous parties. One of these girls was “Jane.” Another witness, “Tiffany,” who also provided an affidavit in the lawsuit, said she witnessed Trump and Epstein rape the plaintiff several times. Trump has repeatedly denied the allegations.
“As I have said before, the allegations are categorically untrue and an obvious publicity stunt aimed at smearing my client,” Alan Garten, Trump’s attorney, told LawNewz.com last week, “In the event we are actually served this time, we intend to move for sanctions for this frivolous filing.”
Judge Abrams (who also happens to be the sister of LawNewz.com founder Dan Abrams) has called for a status conference hearing on December 16, 2016 at 11:30 am at the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York. She’s asked for both sides to provide information that could assist the Court in advancing the case to settlement or trial.
Her order is embedded below.
Alberto Luperon contributed to this report.
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Trump racism. John O'Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza,
" John O’Donnell, who was president of the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino and later wrote a memoir about his experience, said Trump blamed financial difficulties partly on African American accountants.
“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza — black guys counting my money!” O’Donnell’s book quoted Trump as saying. “I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else. . . . Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is; I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”
After denying it initially, Trump admitted in 1997 that it was probably true.
