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- Smoking Guns
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
Hillary is a liar that will do ANYTHING to get elected.
She is in scandal after scandal weather it be Bengazi, Emails, the Clinton Foundation, being for TPP before being against it, in bed with the shady DNC that rigged the election to her, and a huge fucking liar. That said she would be much better than Obama, but Obama is more likeable. Clinton comes off as a huge bitch. Obama seems cool, just clueless. Like he is smart and dumb at the same time.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
Hillary is a liar that will do ANYTHING to get elected.
She is in scandal after scandal weather it be Bengazi, Emails, the Clinton Foundation, being for TPP before being against it, in bed with the shady DNC that rigged the election to her, and a huge fucking liar. That said she would be much better than Obama, but Obama is more likeable. Clinton comes off as a huge bitch. Obama seems cool, just clueless. Like he is smart and dumb at the same time.
So is Trump...I'm sorry but you can't accuse one and turn a blind eye to the other...
Trump doesn't pay his workers, backs out of contracts after the work is done, has sweat shops around the globe, declares bankruptcy to get out of taxes....and lies out his ass with the best of them.
- Smoking Guns
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
Smoking Guns wrote:Hillary is a liar that will do ANYTHING to get elected.
She is in scandal after scandal weather it be Bengazi, Emails, the Clinton Foundation, being for TPP before being against it, in bed with the shady DNC that rigged the election to her, and a huge fucking liar. That said she would be much better than Obama, but Obama is more likeable. Clinton comes off as a huge bitch. Obama seems cool, just clueless. Like he is smart and dumb at the same time.
So is Trump...I'm sorry but you can't accuse one and turn a blind eye to the other...
Trump doesn't pay his workers, backs out of contracts after the work is done, has sweat shops around the globe, declares bankruptcy to get out of taxes....and lies out his ass with the best of them.
Trump is a clown show. But so is Hillary. Kasich was the guy but nobody wanted him but me. Clinton is a fucking cunt though.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
mitchejw wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Hillary is a liar that will do ANYTHING to get elected.
She is in scandal after scandal weather it be Bengazi, Emails, the Clinton Foundation, being for TPP before being against it, in bed with the shady DNC that rigged the election to her, and a huge fucking liar. That said she would be much better than Obama, but Obama is more likeable. Clinton comes off as a huge bitch. Obama seems cool, just clueless. Like he is smart and dumb at the same time.
So is Trump...I'm sorry but you can't accuse one and turn a blind eye to the other...
Trump doesn't pay his workers, backs out of contracts after the work is done, has sweat shops around the globe, declares bankruptcy to get out of taxes....and lies out his ass with the best of them.
Trump is a clown show. But so is Hillary. Kasich was the guy but nobody wanted him but me. Clinton is a fucking cunt though.
I liked him, if you remember. I thought he could be the nominee if the GOP dumped Trump at the convention, but we know how that turned out.
At least Trump saved us from Cruz.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
polluxlm wrote:App maker: Trump will win election
LOS ANGELES — Despite a majority of opinion polls showing the 2016 presidential election going to Democrat Hillary Clinton, a smartphone app developer says his data suggests challenger Donald Trump will be the victor.
“Based on the stats we see, he looks strong,” says Ric Militi, co-founder of San Diego-based Crazy Raccoons, maker of the Zip question and answer app. His app poses questions and polls responses based on an average of 100,000 daily users. “I go with Trump, based on what we see.”
According to the RealClearPolitics average of opinion polls, which are performed by calling people on landlines and cell phones, and answering questions on websites, Clinton leads with 47.8%, to Trump’s 41.0%.
How can Zip’s results be so different?
“We’re not a poll. We’re a conversation, and 100% anonymous,” Militi says. “People feel comfortable answering questions without fear of being bullied or being called a racist. People can express themselves safely, and you get a pure answer.”
Militi and Zip co-founder Alanna Markey guested on an extended #TalkingTech podcast episode, explaining why they believe their app can become the “Google of opinions” by using the power of social media instead of calling people on the phone to get their opinions.
Zip, which launched in February, tells consumers the app “resolves debates and sparks conversation,” and suggests that folks use the app to “settle bets, win arguments, find a pick-up line and earn bragging rights.”
Folks can either pose or answer questions and see the instant results from a cross-section of demographics and geography.
The results don’t read like any poll you’ve seen reported in the last weeks, but instead like they have been answered primarily by the most ardent Trump supporters.
Some Zip questions:
— ”New polls suggest Trump is getting crushed by Clinton. Do they reflect how you are going to vote?” Some 64% told Zip they would vote for Trump, compared to 36% for Clinton. In the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll, Clinton leads Trump, 42% to 36%.
— ”California, who you voting for?” Trump got 55%, compared to 45% for Clinton. In the latest Public Policy Institute of California poll, Clinton has a 16-point advantage over Trump, 46% to 30%.
— "What do you honestly think Trump meant by saying "The 2nd amendment people can do something about Hillary? Vote against her? 63% Assassinate her 37%”
Militi insists his replies are a cross-section of voters in age, gender and geography. “These are the same results we saw when he (Trump) was in the primaries,” he says. He contends that most media polls are just flat-out wrong and that smartphone answers are the future.
Douglas Rivers, a Stanford University political science professor and chief scientist for YouGov, which conducts online polls with such partners as CBS and the Economist, disagrees. “What do they know about these people?” Rivers says. “We worry a lot about who we’re talking to.”
So either the traditional polls are right or Militi is onto something, with a different way of polling that lets citizens answer more openly. We'll find out on Nov. 8, when voters go to the real polls.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
— ”California, who you voting for?” Trump got 55%, compared to 45% for Clinton. In the latest Public Policy Institute of California poll, Clinton has a 16-point advantage over Trump, 46% to 30%.
Even though I did initially believe he could take CA if he focused on it, I find that hard to believe. He's barely campaigned here at all. Yeah people see him on TV/social media on a daily basis but this strategy of just sound bites and not actually discussing issues isn't going to work in the long run...not when it comes to specific states. You mentioned the Hitler-Goebbels strategy earlier and while it certainly works in specific situations, telling huge lies repeatedly until they become truth isn't going to win him CA, OH, FL, PA, etc. The fact that his statements are so obscene(Obama founded ISIS, have Americans tried in military courts, etc.) isn't doing him any favors. He went from "telling it like it is"(his initial appeal) to "telling it like it isn't" awfully damn quick.
He's not willing to do any real campaigning. GOing on TV calling Hillary a liar or tweeting that Ted Cruz is a loser isn't going to cut the mustard.
If he wanted to win the presidency based on sound bites, slogans, and feel good rhetoric, he should have studied the 1984 election but even then its not the same.....Reagan had the advantage of being the incumbent and insanely popular.....even among democrats.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
polluxlm wrote:You make the mistake of thinking the average voter is as smart as you. He should be polling 20% going by what you hear about him, but he's actually doing alright. He's telling people what they want to hear. Some of it true, some of it less true. Lies don't matter for the Hillary supporters, why would they for Trump supporters? And he's consistent. He never concedes, never stops hammering the point. People like a man that doesn't apologize. It gives an aura of certainty and strength. Our politicians know all about that, only they are limited by the conventional rules of the game. Trump isn't. He can go anywhere, say anything. Appeal to anyone. Facts? Who cares. Politics has never been about facts. It's about perception.
I believe it. 100 million people are silent voters in the US. Trump is bringing out a lot of those, Hillary is bringing none. Probably losing a fair bit compared to Obama. That picture of her walking up the stairs is a great symbol, she's literally being propped up in every way. That's what the media don't get. People already mistrust them, so any piece on Trump will just gain him publicity. 60% of Americans don't believe the media in the last gallup. With Trump that number has likely spiked. Who was it that said, 'Barring a dead girl or a live boy, any publicity is good publicity'? He's using their best weapon against hem. Look at those rallies, he's doing a stadium tour. And all the while the media is desperate to show that he is actually losing badly. Protesting a bit hard, no? 3 months left and they're already firing all cylinders. They're scared.
I think fear of admitting you support Trump is a very real phenomenon. Trump is crushing Hillary in anonymous polls. And think about all those people not voting. It's because they have lost faith. Donald Trump is rebuilding that faith by the day. That's more powerful than any political platform. The hardcore democrat or republican core is not deciding this election, nor is the intellectual elite. This is the time for the downtrodden, bitter and angry.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
Hillary is a liar that will do ANYTHING to get elected.
She is in scandal after scandal weather it be Bengazi, Emails, the Clinton Foundation, being for TPP before being against it, in bed with the shady DNC that rigged the election to her, and a huge fucking liar. That said she would be much better than Obama, but Obama is more likeable. Clinton comes off as a huge bitch. Obama seems cool, just clueless. Like he is smart and dumb at the same time.
Spot on!
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
You make some valid points but that poll..... 
. NO way in hell will a third of the population vote for Stein and Johnson. At most they'll pull in 1% to 5%.
You're right....the average voter is stupid. The rise of Obama was proof of that if proof was ever needed. I'll never forget those videos of people at Obama rallies yelling he's going to change the world but when asked what he's going to change or to state even one position of Obama's.....they couldn't.....deer caught in the headlights. Look at Europe......big vote to leave the EU, people vote yes but when finding out it might not be the wise decision, they want a do over.
Now having said all that.....there are limits to stupidity. The tragedy of this election is it was the perfect time for a real anti establishment candidate to come in and give the system a shot of adrenaline. The people were ready......Trump accidentally stumbled into a potentially historic moment. Unfortunately......its Trump. In the end, people are going to wind up making the safe, known choice....Hillary. Even if Trump was/is qualified and could handle the presidency, he's not showing that to be the case.
Obviously I have flip flopped. At first I thought he had a real shot at going all the way. He never changed course. He wont listen to his advisers. There are things he should be doing that he's not doing. It comes off as more of a publicity stunt/attention whoring than someone who genuinely wants to be become president and "make America great again".
