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Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
The drop out Hillary supporters must really love Trump. You can't keep claiming an election is rigged every time Sanders doesn't win by a landslide.
I live in a country where almost every politician in the US including the Democrats are considered to be to the right and I could see the appeal of Sanders if he ran this side of the pond, but his supporters online are just as crazy as the far right. It shouldn't help when you have organisations like the Young Turks backing you and trying to organize protests for you.
When Sanders endorses Hillary after his loss, alot of his supporters aren't going to buy it.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
The drop out Hillary supporters must really love Trump. You can't keep claiming an election is rigged every time Sanders doesn't win by a landslide.
I live in a country where almost every politician in the US including the Democrats are considered to be to the right and I could see the appeal of Sanders if he ran this side of the pond, but his supporters online are just as crazy as the far right. It shouldn't help when you have organisations like the Young Turks backing you and trying to organize protests for you.
When Sanders endorses Hillary after his loss, alot of his supporters aren't going to buy it.
It's not even just that, but when superdelegates can just choose whoever the fuck they want, regardless of the people, that just shows you that your vote won't really matter in the end.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
Axlin16 wrote:Cramer wrote:Please do not speak on my behalf, and then argue against that.
Oh and btw, this comment... umm... not sure how to take it.
Isn't this the ENTIRE BASIS of an internet message board?
I thought that was what the 'Reply' button was for...
I think what he means is that you are attributing ideas to him that aren't actually found in his text and then arguing against those propositions as if it was something he said
This.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
Interesting stuff, but I don't think Hillary wins California. I think that'll be one of the shocker states. New York is also going to go to Trump imo.
California is a lock, just like NY is a lock for the Dems. C'mon man...what are you smoking? You're starting to sound like Lofton suddenly...:haha: (edit Maybe not anymore.)
Like I said, based on what you have there, I see your point. I am crazy, but I don't think Hillary gets Cali or NY. Those are going to be what buries her.
Crazy like a fox alright, haha. Let us revisit this in November!
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
Didn't even realize until now that both Cruz and Kasich are out. That makes Trump vs Hillary official. No contested convention. These electoral maps are interesting but like I've said before, this is not your average presidential election. Very strange things have happened this cycle and they're going to get stranger. It would be a crucial mistake to write Trump off. People wrote him off as a joke right off the bat...now he's in the general election. What happens when people write him off as a joke for the general?
I like how Sanders refused to be bought off but agree with those who say he needs to go.
Why on earth did Cruz pick a VP? Bizarre.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
Don't be so quick to think the GOP is going to embrace Trump. In fact right now the opposite is happening, they are actually talking about supporting Hillary as a means to preserve their party. They'd rather have her for four years then Trump demolishing the GOP for decades. High up Republicans are saying this today. They are also terrified that Trump will hurt their Senate and House races (and they are probably correct.)
So who is Trump's running mate going to be?
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
Didn't even realize until now that both Cruz and Kasich are out. That makes Trump vs Hillary official. No contested convention. These electoral maps are interesting but like I've said before, this is not your average presidential election. Very strange things have happened this cycle and they're going to get stranger. It would be a crucial mistake to write Trump off. People wrote him off as a joke right off the bat...now he's in the general election. What happens when people write him off as a joke for the general?
I like how Sanders refused to be bought off but agree with those who say he needs to go.
Why on earth did Cruz pick a VP? Bizarre.
I think that Cruz picked a Veep spot out of desperation. He had to play a full hand going into Indiana. He probably saw his poll numbers and felt she would help him win that state. It was all or nothing. Embarrassing in the end though, and odd. I hated Cruz, so I thoroughly enjoyed watching him give his concession speech.
I would also agree not to dismiss Trump. But despite how different everybody says it is (and it is, to a degree although what happens in Republicanland doesn't necessarily mean it will happen in a General) there are some cold hard facts about that electoral map. There are serious demographic issues facing Trump-and they'll use clips of him saying stupid shit all day long. There are also portion of the GOP electorate (while I can't quantify this obviously) who are incredulous and appalled at Trump's nomination.
I'm also going to say that I sincerely don't believe Trump thought he'd ever get this far. I really believe he wanted to shake things up, build his brand, and then dip out when he had to. I say this because his infrastructure is almost non-existent. He didn't want to spend that much money, and as it turned out he didn't need to (thanks to the media).
If I'm correct about that or not, the point remains that now he has to do something he has zero experience in: Build a massive political machine for a general election, and all the other things that go along with it. Without the backing of the RNC on this, I'd imagine it would be quite an uphill battle. Hillary has an extensive network, donors, political operatives, consultants, massive databases etc etc all at her fingertips. Romney's fumbled his ground game, and so did McCain. Obama did the opposite, building the largest grassroots organization in American politics. I'd imagine Hilldawg will be pulling from that database...
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
AtariLegend wrote:The drop out Hillary supporters must really love Trump. You can't keep claiming an election is rigged every time Sanders doesn't win by a landslide.
I live in a country where almost every politician in the US including the Democrats are considered to be to the right and I could see the appeal of Sanders if he ran this side of the pond, but his supporters online are just as crazy as the far right. It shouldn't help when you have organisations like the Young Turks backing you and trying to organize protests for you.
When Sanders endorses Hillary after his loss, alot of his supporters aren't going to buy it.
It's not even just that, but when superdelegates can just choose whoever the fuck they want, regardless of the people, that just shows you that your vote won't really matter in the end.
He and his followers are not democrats, Bernie is not a democrat, and tried a power play to ride the Democratic structure to get the nomination. They are socialists, but they knew a third party wouldn't win. So that was shitty on their end. He is over two million votes BEHIND Hillary. No one took anything away from Bernie or his followers. And it's hypocritical to now try and use those superdelegates to take the nomination away from her, the same ones they're lambasting.
Bernie is a Nader.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
I think that Cruz picked a Veep spot out of desperation. He had to play a full hand going into Indiana. He probably saw his poll numbers and felt she would help him win that state. It was all or nothing. Embarrassing in the end though, and odd. I hated Cruz, so I thoroughly enjoyed watching him give his concession speech.
Desperate move from a desperate man. This week's meltdown has been a joy to watch.
I would also agree not to dismiss Trump. But despite how different everybody says it is (and it is, to a degree although what happens in Republicanland doesn't necessarily mean it will happen in a General) there are some cold hard facts about that electoral map. There are serious demographic issues facing Trump-and they'll use clips of him saying stupid shit all day long. There are also portion of the GOP electorate (while I can't quantify this obviously) who are incredulous and appalled at Trump's nomination.
Rick Santorum winning a primary is something you would only see in Republicanland. Trump has won the nomination with a faux republican stance, and everybody knows it, and he's had no support from the establishment. His touch is not Republican, it is human. Once it stops being a fight for Republicans he will change his focus, and he can because his entire campaign is already built on changeability. He does have demographic issues, but Hillary ain't no Obama either. He doesn't have to win the hearts and minds of a majority of Americans, he only has to win more than her.
I'm also going to say that I sincerely don't believe Trump thought he'd ever get this far. I really believe he wanted to shake things up, build his brand, and then dip out when he had to. I say this because his infrastructure is almost non-existent. He didn't want to spend that much money, and as it turned out he didn't need to (thanks to the media).
Maybe, maybe not. I'd say his campaign has been too effective and his results too impressive to only be a fluke. I think he did intend to make a serious shot, but if it didn't work out he could fall back on the things you mention.
If I'm correct about that or not, the point remains that now he has to do something he has zero experience in: Build a massive political machine for a general election, and all the other things that go along with it. Without the backing of the RNC on this, I'd imagine it would be quite an uphill battle. Hillary has an extensive network, donors, political operatives, consultants, massive databases etc etc all at her fingertips. Romney's fumbled his ground game, and so did McCain. Obama did the opposite, building the largest grassroots organization in American politics. I'd imagine Hilldawg will be pulling from that database...
Backing from the RNC didn't do much for McCain and Romney. If Trump can use the media to clinch a very unlikely GOP nomination he can use it in the general as well. Networks, donors, databases etc. is how you win an ordinary election. Things to use when you don't have natural leadership ability. Hillary is being kept on life support by this backing. Trump however hasn't needed any of it to win his race, so why should he need it now? They've already thrown the book at him using all these tools to the max and it hasn't stuck. What are they going to pull out of the hat now? And how are they going to deal with Trump's attacks on Hillary? He can go places where other candidates can't, and boy are there places to go with Hilldog.
