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Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
buzzsaw wrote:I was poor and white. These jobs aren't meant to be a career, they are meant to train you skills to do bigger and better things. If people choose not to work hard and learn as they go, that has nothing to do with being poor, or of any decent. That's a personal choice. Everyone has an opportunity to get out of poor, but not many choose to put in the effort necessary to do it.
Entry level/minimum wage isn't a life sentence unless you decide it is.
These arguments are pointless with people who think it's all a level playing field for everyone. Not everyone has the same opportunity. A kid in the ghetto or the Appalachians do not have the same opportunities as everyone else. Some people work two or three jobs, so it's not about hard work. They don't have the availability of good jobs to move up. It's stinkin thinkin.
These arguments are also pointless with people who are completely unaware that we're all quite different. Something may be obvious to us, but may never dawn on somebody else. We are all guilty of this to a degree We assume that people make choices/decisions as we might, and then we're perplexed why they "didn't just do X, rather than Y." We often apply our line of thinking to others, and are confused when they don't respond how we'd like them to.
In addition, life is hard. Period. It requires hard work, but it also requires luck. Many people don't like to admit this (especially when they're up) but it's the truth.
No two people are the same. No life story is the same. Conservatives argue from a purely black/white position, which makes it easy to call people lazy, unmotivated, "entitled" and so on. Some people can "work out of poor" while others never will be able to escape. Poverty is extremely complex, soul crushing and hopeless. It's certainly not a one size fits all solution.
Such is the way of the conservative mind. In my opinion, it's just another excuse to act like a selfish and ungrateful jerk, lacking any sense of empathy for their fellow American citizens. This is the new America, devoid of compassion and eager to beat up on the least among us. I'm so sick of hearing this shit...
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
Rubio just made a huge play for Bush's base with his speak today. He's started off praising the Bush family and wishing them the best, gave a speak about rebuilding the military, and then ending the speak promising a New American Century (a not so veiled nod to the neo-conservative doctrine). I think Kasich is going to drop out too, making Rubio the only establishment candidate left, he could pick up the majority of the Bush/Kasich support... could be enough to overtake Trump in Nevada.
Rubio reminds me of Dan Quayle. He's VP material at best, and not very bright. Good rehearsed speeches, but Hillary would eat his lunch. If he couldn't fend of Christie, he sure won't be able to handle Trump's onslaught either.
I'd imagine the establishment is starting to really panic right about now. Kasich would be smart to stick around and see if he can fight Rubio for those votes. Rubio could have another roboto malfunction, or Kasich a great night and that may be enough to push him into the establishment spot.
An attorney associated with Carson brought an eligibility suit against Cruz (birther karma) this week. They have allowed it to proceed. This is great for Trump because he didn't bring the litigation, and he can now pound Cruz with it. Trump really knows how to hit people where it hurts, he's brilliant at it. And you better believe that once they get to a certain point Trump is going to ask the GOP if they would risk putting up a guy who may not be legally eligible to be POTUS.
Speaking of which, Trump will really be difficult for Hillary in a debate. Much more than Cruz ever could be. He'll blast her with everything (legit or not) in ways that the status quo couldn't or wouldn't.
I do find it bizarre that Trump can retain support after some of the things he says and positions he's had. Especially with the tea party base. But given that their chief complaint was "no more taxes" during some of the lowest tax rates in five decades, I guess logic isn't their strong point.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
buzzsaw wrote:I was poor and white. These jobs aren't meant to be a career, they are meant to train you skills to do bigger and better things. If people choose not to work hard and learn as they go, that has nothing to do with being poor, or of any decent. That's a personal choice. Everyone has an opportunity to get out of poor, but not many choose to put in the effort necessary to do it.
Entry level/minimum wage isn't a life sentence unless you decide it is.
These arguments are pointless with people who think it's all a level playing field for everyone. Not everyone has the same opportunity. A kid in the ghetto or the Appalachians do not have the same opportunities as everyone else. Some people work two or three jobs, so it's not about hard work. They don't have the availability of good jobs to move up. It's stinkin thinkin.
McDonald's will hire just about anyone. You just have to try instead of joining a gang or whatever other excuse you want to give people. What you do from there is up to you.
You're way ahead of things with this 3 jobs. They already failed if they are at that point.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
misterID wrote:buzzsaw wrote:I was poor and white. These jobs aren't meant to be a career, they are meant to train you skills to do bigger and better things. If people choose not to work hard and learn as they go, that has nothing to do with being poor, or of any decent. That's a personal choice. Everyone has an opportunity to get out of poor, but not many choose to put in the effort necessary to do it.
Entry level/minimum wage isn't a life sentence unless you decide it is.
These arguments are pointless with people who think it's all a level playing field for everyone. Not everyone has the same opportunity. A kid in the ghetto or the Appalachians do not have the same opportunities as everyone else. Some people work two or three jobs, so it's not about hard work. They don't have the availability of good jobs to move up. It's stinkin thinkin.
These arguments are also pointless with people who are completely unaware that we're all quite different. Something may be obvious to us, but may never dawn on somebody else. We are all guilty of this to a degree We assume that people make choices/decisions as we might, and then we're perplexed why they "didn't just do X, rather than Y." We often apply our line of thinking to others, and are confused when they don't respond how we'd like them to.
In addition, life is hard. Period. It requires hard work, but it also requires luck. Many people don't like to admit this (especially when they're up) but it's the truth.
No two people are the same. No life story is the same. Conservatives argue from a purely black/white position, which makes it easy to call people lazy, unmotivated, "entitled" and so on. Some people can "work out of poor" while others never will be able to escape. Poverty is extremely complex, soul crushing and hopeless. It's certainly not a one size fits all solution.
Such is the way of the conservative mind. In my opinion, it's just another excuse to act like a selfish and ungrateful jerk, lacking any sense of empathy for their fellow American citizens. This is the new America, devoid of compassion and eager to beat up on the least among us. I'm so sick of hearing this shit...
Everyone gets a break somewhere though. Too many ignore it, don't notice, don't take advantage, etc. Sure, I had some luck to get where I am, but I took advantage of the opportunities that presented themselves.
- Smoking Guns
- Rep: 330
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
Life is fucking hard. Life is not fair. That said, hard work and attitude go a loooong fucking way no matter what people here want to say. Yes there are exceptions that no matter what anyone does they stay poor but for the most part in 2016 all the tools are there for you to support yourself.
1) Stay away from drugs
2) Stay out of jail
3) Stay away from booze
4) Seize that opportunity when it knocks
5) Choose your friends wisely
Now, you can't help the brain you are born with or your family conditions. But in life you will likely find a mentor in a teacher, a football coach, a preacher. There is a level of will one must possess to break the fuck out of the ghetto or the hills of Kentucky/West Virginia. And often the family may not want you too. It is probably harder to bust out of the poor rural areas than the inner city I would suspect. But anyway, it all can and has been done. It just doesn't happen near enough as we would like because life is hard as fuck and our economy sucks.
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
1) Stay away from drugs
2) Stay out of jail
3) Stay away from booze
4) Seize that opportunity when it knocks
5) Choose your friends wisely
So basically; don't have any fun. Be a boring bastard then die. Sign me up!
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
Smoking Guns wrote:1) Stay away from drugs
2) Stay out of jail
3) Stay away from booze
4) Seize that opportunity when it knocks
5) Choose your friends wiselySo basically; don't have any fun. Be a boring bastard then die. Sign me up!
Everything in moderation. Well, maybe except the jail part. I've done drugs. I still drink occasionally. I gamble. We all have our vices, but you can't let them own you.
- Smoking Guns
- Rep: 330
Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread
Smoking Guns wrote:1) Stay away from drugs
2) Stay out of jail
3) Stay away from booze
4) Seize that opportunity when it knocks
5) Choose your friends wiselySo basically; don't have any fun. Be a boring bastard then die. Sign me up!
When you are dirt fucking poor and don't have a pot to piss in, yeah, stay away from that shit. We aren't talking about chilling in your Dad's basement having a beer. I just told you shit I would do if I were in the ghetto trying to bust out. If you want to blow money on crack don't come to me asking for a hand out. Sound better?
