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- Intercourse
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Re: In a perfect world.
Why try and dictate the view people can express? Guns N' Roses give the fan base NOTHING substantial to discuss so as fans we're left to speculate and make assumptions and go off what we know. Not sure why people get so upset over people expressing the obvious point that nothing is happening and then pointing o specific things to back up their point. There are sites that promote universal praise maybe check one of them out.
THIS.
Re: In a perfect world.
^ Not to be a dick...but it sort of depends how you count....while he began in 1998...that was after a 7 year holiday from songwriting since UYI.
TSI was started as an EP that the band thought it would be easier to do than a full original album.
Axl took multiple years to even record the UYI vocals.
I'm not saying he is creatively done but there's a lot of evidence to suggest at minimum it's an issue.
UYI was supposed to be 4 discs at one point as well, tracks like Black Leather/Attitude ect were done in UYI sessions and there were other tracks from those session's like "The Plague", "Nightcrawler" and others.
While we can say new band possibly started as a full band in 98 (?), "This I Love" was a unused UYI song and "Berlin" for example we were told was originally "Oklahoma" from 1995.
- Bloodflower
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Re: In a perfect world.
Bloodflower wrote:I prefer bands that are at least trying to be creative. Metallica, NIN, bon Jovi, U2, Pearl Jam etc etc all bands that have been ragged on here recently but name any band that continues to release music that their fans enjoy and you'll have the nay sayers of course saying they're creativley done. Still better to be out there delivering something rather than nothing. If some people perefer Axl's 1 album ever 15 years thing all the power to them. Me I'll take consistent releases with the hopes somthing great materializes. Lots of people believe The Cure hasn't done anything worthwhile since Wish but that's a load of bull. Wild Mood Swings is great and Bloodflowers is possibley their best album. The Cure was not bad, 4:13 Dream left a lot to be desired but 2014 looks to be another Cure release and I'll take another release with the chance it's great over nothing. Axl is doing nothing so........ like I said all the power to those who prefer his appraoch, I just don't understand it.
I remember reading that Bloodflowers was going to be the last Cure album when it came out and I bought it that very day. Counted down the days to its release. And if you listen to the majority of the lyrics, that's what it sounds like. That the dude is totally burnt out with no more creative ideas and he's making a record about it (pretty brilliant, imo). "The Fire Is Almost Out... And There's Nothing Left To Burn".
So true! I bought that album the second it came out. Literally. I was in the music store hovering over the guy as he was unpacking a box of new releases. I guess I was excited for it, especially since I loved Wild Mood Swings. Like you said the idea behind the record was partially Robert's lack of inspiration. He had nothing left and he was on record as saying it was definitely The Cure's last album. You're right, writing about your lack of inspiration was genius. He also said it kinda completed a trilogy of albums with Pornography and Disintegration so there are times when I think that should've been the last Cure album. Sail off into the sunset with arguably the best creative effort of your career, have your grammy nomination for best alternative album and call it a day...... then again I'm still excited for each Cure release that has followed even if it's not up to the old standards(in my opinion). There's always a chance though.
Re: In a perfect world.
Putting out albums has nothing to do with if you're done creatively.
There's plenty of artists who have loads of material that isn't released. Look at Prince. His vault makes Axl's look like a foot locker.
I have to agree with ID here. Writing and creating music is one thing. It's a purely artistic endeavor. Putting out an album, once it's been created, goes beyond the artistic side of things into the business side.
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- Son of a Gun
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Re: In a perfect world.
The Cure is one of the most strongest and consistent bands around while early albums up untill Disintegration are their best work, later records Wish, Wild Mood Swings, Bloodflowers, self tittled and 4:13 Dream are all strong efforts they have huge catalogue of music amazing band Robert Smith is a genius.
Re: In a perfect world.
misterID wrote:Mikkamakka wrote:Shut up, Taliban. It's a forum, so I'm free to share my view. If you can't accept it, then rejoin your tribe @ HTGTH. That's where you belong.
Wonderful contributions, as always.
Have fun arguing and complaining about imaginary topics, posts and posters.
To be fair the fact GnR is doing absolutely nothing of value at the moment or for a long time now is not imaginary. It's REALITY. Why try and dictate the view people can express? Guns N' Roses give the fan base NOTHING substantial to discuss so as fans we're left to speculate and make assumptions and go off what we know. Not sure why people get so upset over people expressing the obvious point that nothing is happening and then pointing o specific things to back up their point. There are sites that promote universal praise maybe check one of them out.
misterID wrote:Have fun arguing and complaining about imaginary topics, posts and posters.
By being in this thread are you not essentially doing the same thing?
No. I know some of you want to bust a nut to congratulate each other bashing the band and Axl or whatever (Intercourse)... I was responding to this:
But Axl is a God and his abilty to create wonderful things cannot be questioned. I understand it. But the guy is done, get used to it. Or keep dreaming. Anyway, I don't really care, since I care about music, not this Axlist religion.
Who or what was that directed at in this thread? That's what mikka does. Makes things up, gets overdramatic. BTW, wasn't what he wrote telling me what to think, that Axl is done? What do I know, I'm a stupid taliban. 
Bloodflower, as being a long time member here, you might not know this, but that site that blindly praises Axl... I was banned from that site for not blindly following Axl and taking up for Slash. We actually have a history here. If you noticed in this thread, I have't told anyone how to think. I'm saying if you're going to bitch and moan and state ad naseum that you don't care about Axl, the band, his music, etc. and just show up to say it over and over and add nothing, and the subject makes you this miserable... Why stick around? I've been asking that for a while. Again, not dictating how anyone should think.
- monkeychow
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Re: In a perfect world.
To be fair he called you a taliban after you suggested he leave the site ID.
I'll grant you his post is sarcastic and over dramatic.
But I think his point generally was on topic...we were discussing if the history of GNR suggests Axl is burnt out or not....mikka thinks that CD was a poor album, that the history suggests Axl is burnt out, and believes that people who think otherwise are caught up in their fandom...or in the mystery of Axl and his unusual life.
If we're honest...back in the days of the silence and the first leaks and all that....there is somewhat of a mystery to all this that many of us found exciting. I think Mikka suggestion is that some people are blinded by that and ignore evidence that Axl's burnt out because of it.
I'm not sure if I agree or not but it's an on topic suggestion - just phrased in an over the top way.
Re: In a perfect world.
That's not what I was saying, monkey. Mikka is free to have any opinion he wants. I usually ignore it, tbh. I just think it's kind of funny that people were chiming in about me telling him what to think when that was Mikka's post. Axl's done, get over it. I was responding that if Axl makes Mikka THIS miserable, where eveything he posts is the same thing, how miserable he is, how he doesn't care, how the new music sucks, how the setlist sucks, how Axl sucks... Why stay? Unless you're getting something out of stating these things, over and over. And the Axlite religion stuff is obviously directed at certain people here, and it was a lame comment meant to instigate, because no one was saying or doing anything in this thread to get that. It's like D having arguments over here that are taking place over at HTGTH, because he's too afraid to have them there. It makes no sense. Like what's been said to me, "Why try and dictate the view people can express?" we can all have different opinions without that crap.
I don't expect him to go, he has too much fun. 
The difference is, all of us can have healthy discussions about any subject even when we disagree. I respect Mikka's opinion in his Slash threads, that's not reciprocated. I'm not trying to change his opinion. At all. Matter of fact, Mikka you're a valued member here. I'm sorry.
- Me_Wise_Magic
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Re: In a perfect world.
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Axl is not amused.
He is going to end the show early folks. He's not kidding this time. 
