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Re: Times when you miss VR
I'm weird with Scott. Didn't like STP when they first came out- they were "try hards" in my book. I think their catalog matured and they had a different sound for each album. By the end of the first run, I was quite a fan.
So I was pretty jazzed when they announced Scott as the singer for VR. The first album bore that out, especially since the first peep I heard out of them was Slither on the radio, which was one of those songs a deaf person could tell you Slash was playing. Contraband is still a badass album, and for all the crap Scott takes for shitty lyrics, I love that album end to end.
By Libertad, between the all around shittastickness of the album, the band falling apart publicly... I don't know. I come down very firmly thinking he's a goon again. It's easy for me to agree that he's limited and two dimensional, but at the same time, he's got good stage presence. And when he's firing on all cylinders, he manages to transcend what should be obvious limitations. Deep down, where they call David Bowie a musical chameleon, I sometimes think Scott might be a musical parrot. One could accuse him of aping musical styles throughout his career rather than pushing the boundaries of them.
However, when he's off the smack he's damn good at it, no matter what the truth is. End of the day, I give him the edge over Myles, assuming he's at peak. But Myles is a workhorse and team player, and despite his tone, can handle an amazing range of music, so he's got that going for him. Which is nice.
- Son of a Gun
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Son of a Gun wrote:Scott > > > > > Myles Kennedy.
That is like saying Finck is better than Ashba. In each instance, they both suck and it's a matter of one sucking less than the other. Slash needs to get rid of the nasal voice, but also don't bring back the bullshit STP sound either. I'd love it if he could get Ian Astbury for instance.
Scott does n`t suck far from it he`s very good frontman he might be annoying sometimes with his Jim Morrison meets Iggy Pop, meets David Bowie, meets Layne Staley, meets Eddie Vedder thing but he`s much more interesting performer than this nasal disaster Slash has teamed up with. Most of all, Scott is three things that Kennedy never will be
1.Awesome frontman
2.Good melody and lyrics writer
3.Sonically appealing vocalist.
- Son of a Gun
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4. Drug addict
5. Cock head
No shit, Slash is n`t a saint either I find it very funny to chastise Scott for his drug dependency when Slash himself was a full blown junkie 
- monkeychow
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2.Good melody and lyrics writer
I do like some of scotts songs.
But I disagree with the assesment that he's better at lyrics and melodies than Myles in general.
I find his stuff quite repetitious - both within the same song - for example "Dead and Bloated" - great song but over 5 minutes of the same structure just over and over again without a solo or some kind of beak or anything to break it up. It's fun for the first 3 but then it just repeats; and also from song to song "Unglued" from STP has a very similar verse tune to "Big Machine".
I don't totally hate him, but he's def a one trick pony on the musical level.
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Gibbo wrote:4. Drug addict
5. Cock headNo shit, Slash is n`t a saint either I find it very funny to chastise Scott for his drug dependency when Slash himself was a full blown junkie
We are talking about Scott vs Myles and has cleaned him self up now
- monkeychow
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The other thing about Scott to me is that he's just not all that suited to Slash's natural style.
When they can find middle ground they can make a good song - no doubt - like Slither or whatever VR tracks people like the best.
But scott is the guy who went through 2 Cds full of Slash/Izzy riffage and rejected nearly all of it. Slash has also said several times he had to basically fight to even get stuff like Slither through.
Bottom line - scott can write good songs, but his work is patchy, and it really doesn't create a natural fit for Slash.
- Son of a Gun
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Son of a Gun wrote:2.Good melody and lyrics writer
I do like some of scotts songs.
But I disagree with the assesment that he's better at lyrics and melodies than Myles in general.
I find his stuff quite repetitious - both within the same song - for example "Dead and Bloated" - great song but over 5 minutes of the same structure just over and over again without a solo or some kind of beak or anything to break it up. It's fun for the first 3 but then it just repeats; and also from song to song "Unglued" from STP has a very similar verse tune to "Big Machine".
I don't totally hate him, but he's def a one trick pony on the musical level.
Still better than Kennedy.Stone Temple Pilots is very underrated band he was huge part of STP and that alone makes him better than Myles.
- monkeychow
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I dunno - in a way it's silly for me to contrast them anyway as I'm comparing two things I like.
I actually feel the reverse of what you said though, for my taste, I've always felt STP was an over-rated band. I don't mean they don't have good songs, they sure do, in fact I really like some of them, but something about the product to me was not A-list or something. To me STP is the sort of mid-card band that's not the first act of the night, but they're still opening the show for a band like GNR. That's how I see them in my mind - they're not headline worthy - just a great middle act. Still - obviously that's more about my taste than the public perception as I know in reality they do headline a lot.
I do like the STP songs - but for example - to me VR played some of STP's song's better than STP did....they are a great band...I just don't think they're on that top tier.
Same with Alterbridge for that matter - AB has some songs I enjoy - but they're not on my A-list either.
So for me it's kinda a mix.
I think scott has the stronger stage presence, and comparing STP to AB I probably like STP more, but then in terms of general vocal performance I prefer Myles to Scott - at least in terms of who I'd like to see play with Slash - his vocal range is more suited to classic rock and Slash's tone - and I think musically he has a wider palate than Scott.
To me scott only does one thing, it's one thing that he does very damn well though...but I feel like he's done it now....going forward I can see more good music coming out of Slash/Myles than I could Scott/Myles.
