Guns N' Roses at du Arena, Abu Dhabi UAE March 28th 2013

Son of a Gun

I think that Axl made big mistake when he allowed Finck back once he first quit in 99 two lead guitarists don`t work in Guns `. Buckethead should have been the only lead guitarist in New Guns N`Roses he is able to do such things on his guitar that Finck can only dream of. Axl, Buckethead, Richard, Tommy, Dizzy and Brain would have been hell of a lineup the ultimate New Guns N`Roses there was no need of Robin Finck and Chris Pitman apperently Bucket did n`t like to share spotlight with Finck. Had Chinese Democracy been released in 2002 or 2003, I`m sure big B would have stuck around more and we would have had at least 3 albums by now.

monkeychow

This is going to sound like a troll post...

But I keep reading about Bucket's writing talent and so on....but no-one ever mentions he's an off-kilt avant garde guitarist who is ENTIRELY unsuited to making classic rock of the type AFD/UYI or commercial rock along the lines of what GNR could be if it chose to make new records even remotely consistent with it's heritage.

When was the last time a bucket song didn't randomly have a scktziofrentic mood-altering riff change about 2 mins in? How many songs does he have that are even suitable for the addition of any vocals? How many with any kind of discernible verse and chorus structure? How many without fun park or B movie samples randomly interjecting? Even his best and inspiring stuff like soothsayer or nothingham lace makes ZERO sense for Axl's use. What would you do - have Axl sing over the 9 minute guitar solo? Or Maybe Axl sings over the disjointed funk part of nothingham lace before settling into 5 minutes of bucket shred?

In his 40 albums he has maybe 3 or 4 songs that are approachable for mainstream people who just want melodies and arn't into the art of guitar.

I'm not mocking bucket - he's a fucking amazing guitarist - and a phenomenal musician - but it's a square peg for a round hole - the guy is a specialist guitarist who makes weird experimental music just to further the art of guitar in an esoteric way.

Chops wise he can't be beaten, but, If you want to write an album to follow up CD, to sit next to AFD and UYI on the record collection and for the radio to play an old and new track with on Double-up-tuesday and make it make any sense...I don't buy that he's your guy at all. I think someone like DJ is way more likely to make a GNR song you could actually play on the radio and not have people shaking their heads going "WTF? Did I fall into the hall of mirrrors?"

NoKnownName

As a Buckethead fan, I completely agree with you. Axl shouldn't have picked him as part of GNR. I don't regret him being chosen, but his style completely clashes with GNR.

monkeychow

Bucket is great in his own way though, just I don't lament his loss to GNR very much as he always seemed to be a strange choice for GNR, and I don't think he would write much that would lead GNR into a place I want to go, although admittedly a soothsayer style outro on a GNR track would have been cool.

I agree with Son of a Gun that if he'd been the sole lead guitarist he might have won over the general public a lot more. He would be a strong "face of the guitar parts" like slash was before him. And he has the chops to support that role.

Having only recently seen the band though, i was impressed by the chemistry of the current guys, stuff like DJ and Richards solo spots they sound great in...I'd be curious to see what they could come up with.

misterID

"When was the last time a bucket song didn't randomly have a scktziofrentic mood-altering riff change about 2 mins in? How many songs does he have that are even suitable for the addition of any vocals? How many with any kind of discernible verse and chorus structure? How many without fun park or B movie samples randomly interjecting? Even his best and inspiring stuff like soothsayer or nothingham lace makes ZERO sense for Axl's use. What would you do - have Axl sing over the 9 minute guitar solo? Or Maybe Axl sings over the disjointed funk part of nothingham lace before settling into 5 minutes of bucket shred?"

"Sorry." That's a Bucket song. And is one of the best "classically rock structured" songs in GN'Rs catalog. So I disagree with you.

monkeychow

^ Really? For my taste Sorry is the worst song on CD - although bucket does play a sweet solo in it.

Anyway...I'm not saying it's impossible for him to write a classic rock song...i'm saying the usual premise around here is that bucket needs to be brought back because he's the writing machine Axl needs....and I don't see anything to support that he'd be a king GNR writer in either his solo catalogue or his time in GNR.

I like his parts on CD, but there's no reason the current guys couldn't make just as impressive songs. Bottom line is buckethead is under-used on CD....there's no soothsayer moment....if you're looking for a bucket best of you won't be loading his GNR tracks.....so I don't understand the way the fan base begs for him back.

Son of a Gun

Chinese Democracy is n`t even half indicator of what Buckethead is capable of as a guitarist and musician he`s versatile he can compose music in almost every genre be it Rock, Metal, Blues, Punk, Funk, Experimental, electronic, Industrial or others still stand by my words New Guns with Axl in charge of course, and Brian ( Buckethead ) as his side man could have evolved in special and unique band Axl`s intentions were n`t to follow up AFD/UYIs and make commercial radio friendly Rock in 2002 he did n`t see Guns as sloppy Bluesy Hard Rock band anymore he really wanted to establish new band and create new sound but for whatever reason it all fell apart. Dude`s lost all hunger and passion now he`s phoning it in current lineup is very boring and easily predictable.

elevendayempire

I thin Axl's biggest mistake with new GN'R has been the three-guitarist setup. It means there's no clear delineation between the lead and rhythm guitar roles, and makes it hard for people to grasp who's the "face of the guitar parts" as mentioned above. We know that Finck plays the first solo in TWAT and Bucket the second, but your casual listener doesn't – but they do know that the bloke who does all the solos in November Rain is Slash. And it contributes to the notion that "they can't replace Slash" – especially when you have two lead guitarists swapping licks during the SCOM solo. I get why Axl did it, but from a PR point of view it's a disaster.

misterID

monkeychow wrote:

^ Really? For my taste Sorry is the worst song on CD - although bucket does play a sweet solo in it.
Anyway...I'm not saying it's impossible for him to write a classic rock song...i'm saying the usual premise around here is that bucket needs to be brought back because he's the writing machine Axl needs....and I don't see anything to support that he'd be a king GNR writer in either his solo catalogue or his time in GNR.
I like his parts on CD, but there's no reason the current guys couldn't make just as impressive songs. Bottom line is buckethead is under-used on CD....there's no soothsayer moment....if you're looking for a bucket best of you won't be loading his GNR tracks.....so I don't understand the way the fan base begs for him back.

The only weak part of Sorry was Axl's lyrics. I don't think the song fit the album, but yeah, I dig it. It's one of my favorite musical moments in all of GNR's catalog. So is "If The World."

I never expected or wanted Bucket to bring his solo work into GN'R. Two completely different beasts, and imo, he fit the band with that line up perfectly. I loved what he did on the old songs, love his new work.

It's been noted that Bucket did write a lot for GN'R. Being a writing machine doesn't matter, or at least isn't the reason I want to see him back. I've heard the band post Bucket, I've heard Ron playing over his spots on the CD. I prefer Bucket. I think that goes for a lot of people who want him back.

Ali

misterID wrote:

monkeychow wrote:
^ Really? For my taste Sorry is the worst song on CD - although bucket does play a sweet solo in it.
Anyway...I'm not saying it's impossible for him to write a classic rock song...i'm saying the usual premise around here is that bucket needs to be brought back because he's the writing machine Axl needs....and I don't see anything to support that he'd be a king GNR writer in either his solo catalogue or his time in GNR.
I like his parts on CD, but there's no reason the current guys couldn't make just as impressive songs. Bottom line is buckethead is under-used on CD....there's no soothsayer moment....if you're looking for a bucket best of you won't be loading his GNR tracks.....so I don't understand the way the fan base begs for him back.
The only weak part of Sorry was Axl's lyrics. I don't think the song fit the album, but yeah, I dig it. It's one of my favorite musical moments in all of GNR's catalog. So is "If The World."
I never expected or wanted Bucket to bring his solo work into GN'R. Two completely different beasts, and imo, he fit the band with that line up perfectly. I loved what he did on the old songs, love his new work.
It's been noted that Bucket did write a lot for GN'R. Being a writing machine doesn't matter, or at least isn't the reason I want to see him back. I've heard the band post Bucket, I've heard Ron playing over his spots on the CD. I prefer Bucket. I think that goes for a lot of people who want him back.

I love Bucket's work on "Sorry" and "If The World" tremendously. For me, "Sorry" is one of my favorites on the album, especially because of the unbridled venom in Axl's lyrics. I've always thought that the lines, "
The truth is the truth hurts, don't you agree?/It's harder to live with the truth about you, than to live with lies about me" is some of Axl's best lyrical work ever.

Ali

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