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Re: Obama gains more delegates
Gretchen Wieners wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:I'm loving this. The GOP is going to have the time of their lives exposing Obama and his "church" to the independent voters. A couple good commericals and middle america will run for McCain. If the Democrats were smart, they'd bail on Obama now and give Clinton the nomination. The true investigations into backgrounds haven't even started yet and Obama is looking more and more like a loon. At least with Clinton all the skeletons have been exposed.
Fair point about the Clinton skeletons, but this church crap is nearing its end, and even if it continues, McCain will not be able to use it against him. McCain recently had positive words for Reverend Parsley at a campaign rally, and Parsley advocates destroying Islam because it is a "false religion", and actually wants a new "crusade".
Parsley's church is also on the verge of losing its tax exempt status.
In other words, McCain and Obama are in the same bed regarding the religious nuts.
America will not run for McCain. The country is in a mess, and there's just no way McCain will get the presidency. A vote for McCain is basically a vote for 4 more years of Bush.
Chevy Chase could run against McCain and beat him. McCain is not a viable candidate. Republicans were insane for hitching themselves to his wagon.
A McCain presidency would only be feasible if the economy was flourishing, no wars going on, our alliances more stable,etc.
The country cant survive a third rate Ronald Reagan wannabe presidency.
November is going to be a bit similar to 92. Its going to be a vote regarding the economy and anti Bush, and Obama or Clinton is going to defeat McCain by a larger margin than Clinton beat Bush/Perot.
Yet, Americans trust McCain more on Economic issues than Obama as a recent poll showed. Obviously they support him National Security moreso than any other candidate. If the Economy is the issue you belive will determine the election, most Americans trust McCain more than any other to resolve it.
You put too much faith in polls. They change daily. There's a ton of polls out there showing Obama destroying McCain in November, but I don't bother posting them because it doesn't mean much at this juncture. Before head to head matches can be polled and taken seriously there needs to be a democratic nominee in place. Having two still viable definitely influences polls.
People are paying almost 4 bucks a gallon(and rising) for gas and about the same amount(and rising) for a loaf of bread. If you think those numbers benefit McCain(Bush), you are in for a huge shock in November.
I feel you put too much faith in the 'adults', and too little faith in optimism and youth. For the record, I'm referring to the voters, not the candidates.
The youth vote is fickle. Its really Obama's only weakness in the election. It cant even be predicted how high of a percentage of the youth vote will turnout until exit polls start coming out on election day. There are definitely issues on the table that should rally the youth voter base( never ending war, horrific gas prices, rising food prices, rising tuition costs, less financial aid for college, a job market thats nosediving, etc.), but we do not know for sure if they will turn out in droves.
If the first exit polls coming out in November show a high turnout for young voters, you can crown Obama/Hillary president without even bothering to count the rest of the votes.
As I've said many times this election cycle, the republicans fucked up big time by allowing McCain to make it to the general. He's basically a sacrificial lamb in the aftermath of the Bush/Cheney fiasco.
Re: Obama gains more delegates
Trusting McCain with the economy? I would trust him to piss away our dolllar even more and ruin our lifestyles even more. I would expect even more record gas prices, higher tuition, and just about higher everything else.
Oh, btw, he feels that Commissaries are unnecessary and should be shut down. That is a non-profit organization that provides groceries to anyone who serves in the millitary.
Sorry to break the news, but a Republican will not win. Have you been awake at all these past 4 years? Bush has destroyed McCain's chance, and McCain didn't help when he would be Bush V2.
It's down to Obama or Hillary.
Btw, if Obama wins, he will the the first black man to publicly beat a white woman and not get arrested. 
- Randall Flagg
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I agree that gas prices are getting out of control and need government intervention. I'm by no means a socialist, but mandatory things to live on such as water, power and even the telephone/internet have government regulation. A significant portion of gas prices is taxes that supposedly go to fund the interstate system, but the increasing gas prices are a burden everyone is feeling. I'm tempted and will probably soon quit driving my truck all together and ride my Harley to base everyday. I'd support a well thought out plan to control and regulate gas prices. If the war in Iraq was fought over oil, I sure as shit haven't seen any benefit from it.
With regard to the economy, is anyone suffering as a result of it? I personally don't know anyone but hear alot of people acknowlegde that they hear its bad, but have nothing person to reflect to. Luckily my ass will be on a tax free tour to the middle east in several months and will be able to bank some money. Unfortunately not everyone can do that.
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With regard to the economy, is anyone suffering as a result of it? I personally don't know anyone but hear alot of people acknowlegde that they hear its bad, but have nothing person to reflect to. Luckily my ass will be on a tax free tour to the middle east in several months and will be able to bank some money. Unfortunately not everyone can do that.
I can't get a mortgage, and my credit it "excellent," according to my report. I'm living check to check because I have three kids and am paying like $2 for a loaf of bread and $3 for a gallon of milk, which is actually cheaper than the almost $3.50 I'm paying for gas, and I commute 35 miles each way.
So yeah, the economy's fucking bad. You haven't noticed the sharp increase in grocery prices? People are struggling.
Typical that republicans don't recognize it.
Re: Obama gains more delegates
With regard to the economy, is anyone suffering as a result of it? I personally don't know anyone but hear alot of people acknowlegde that they hear its bad, but have nothing person to reflect to. Luckily my ass will be on a tax free tour to the middle east in several months and will be able to bank some money. Unfortunately not everyone can do that.
I can't get a mortgage, and my credit it "excellent," according to my report. I'm living check to check because I have three kids and am paying like $2 for a loaf of bread and $3 for a gallon of milk, which is actually cheaper than the almost $3.50 I'm paying for gas, and I commute 35 miles each way.
So yeah, the economy's fucking bad. You haven't noticed the sharp increase in grocery prices? People are struggling.
Typical that republicans don't recognize it.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
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Again, I don't know your personal situation. Mortgages are based on more than just credit. In all honesty I shop at the comissary where a box of brand name cereal is only $2.25 and there is no taxes. However, the important question is how will Hillary or Obama correct it? More importantly, is Bush or Congress responsible for the "poor" economy? Finally, why would we want candidates in Office who promise to spend more and increase are already record budget? Taxing the wealthy won't do anything to drive prices down, in fact it would have the opposite affect as any economist would tell you.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
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And on a further note, it was warned that this would happen when the Democrats increased the minimum wage. Something no one wants to mention.
Re: Obama gains more delegates
And on a further note, it was warned that this would happen when the Democrats increased the minimum wage. Something no one wants to mention.
An increase in the minimum wage didn't cause this. Do you really believe that?
As far as my personal situation, yes, I know mortgages are based on more than credit. Actually, one of the loans I was initially approved for ended up being declined because I'm buying in a city that Fannie Mae or Mac has determined is a "declining market," so they don't want to invest there or else they think I'll end up upside-down on my payments. How logical is that? The WHOLE COUNTRY is a declining market. There are like a dozen cities that haven't seen any declines whatsoever. This is a secondary problem that I'll bet you'll soon start to hear about. Lenders have gone the complete opposite direction and are VERY strict on loans. Too strict. People who can afford to buy are being shut out.
As far as groceries, it's awesome you can shop like that. They are really skyrocketing elsewhere.
On a personal note, if I don't get approved for a mortgage by next Wednesday, me and my three kids and wife will actually be homeless. The house I'm in has sold, and my closing is supposed to be the 31st. So, I could use some good vibes from y'all.
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Good luck Bigbri. Must be tough.
I don't know much of anything economically, other than college is fucking expensive.
Re: Obama gains more delegates
And on a further note, it was warned that this would happen when the Democrats increased the minimum wage. Something no one wants to mention.
Do you really think the minimum wage increase is the cause of all this?? If so, why didn't past increases(80's, 90's) send us on what looks to be a one way trip into an abyss?
Regarding wage increases, its cause and effect. Things happen that require it. The cost of living is rising dramatically(practically every day). An increase was inevitable,and expect MANY more as the dollar continues down its current path of worthlessness.
In a year when a loaf of bread will most likely be 8-10 bucks, do you think minimum wage should stay at its present rate?
More importantly, is Bush or Congress responsible for the "poor" economy? Finally, why would we want candidates in Office who promise to spend more and increase are already record budget? Taxing the wealthy won't do anything to drive prices down, in fact it would have the opposite affect as any economist would tell you.
Bush is definitely responsible for this mess, although not all of it. He cant be blamed for the housing crisis, but his war and unlimited spending bills played a HUGE role in the mess we are in.
The dollar has been in a free fall since the day he took office. Thats not a coincidence. The congress that has presided under his presidency is the worst in history. Total lapdogs that would sign any bill he sent them without even reading them.
EVERY incumbent should be voted out of office during the next two election cycles(excluding whichever senator wins the presidency of course).
Funny how you keep mentioning Hilllary and Obama, yet wont mention McCain. You know he wont even attempt to fix the problem so there's no use mentioning him.
You voted twice for the biggest spending president in HISTORY, yet you're asking why we would want a president that spends.
Taxing the wealthy is the only feasible thing to do at this point to help get these deficits to a rate thats at least semi-manageable.
Bri, we'll be praying for you and your family.
