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smoke
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Re: The Following

smoke wrote:

I actually like the show too. I'm thinking it can't go on forever with there just being one "leader" though. They really ought to kill him off at some point, and then have to figure out who's calling the shots. OR, maybe the current leader is a red herring, and there's someone bigger pulling the strings.

Finally, if they make it a few seasons, I call Kevin Bacon turning heel (that's for you, Axlin wink) and taking over the cult. Loooooooong shot, but if it happens, I called it.

Axlin16
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Re: The Following

Axlin16 wrote:

Ehh, I don't see Kevin Bacon turning full heel to the audience, because the show has to have some redeemable Van Helsing/Loomis-kinda savior against the cult. The show needs that, and that is Bacon.

BUT, an interesting twist would be letting Joe go on for so long, and having Bacon kill Joe because he finally snaps and cuts the head off the snake. Bacon then discovers it's not over and it's only the beginning and Joe was just a smaller piece of a bigger puzzle, maybe even a conspiracy inside the psychology science (think psycho-babble nuts meets Thorn from Halloween 6), that somehow believe this cult is "balance" to mankind.

Bacon goes off the deep-end, and basically becomes Ahab in Moby Dick, swearing up and down there's a conspiracy and he's gonna stop it, and pretty much everyone sees him as a total nutjob, because he becomes more aggressive, unstable, and just kills anything in sight.

The audience is in on it though. It's not a full heel turn, but it does blur the line some, gives Bacon some more dimension than just "i'm gonna hook up with Joe's girl", gives the series long-term gas in the tank for writing and all kinds of directions, and ultimately puts Bacon over as more of the anti-hero he deserves to be, rather than the boring hero they're going for now.


jmo

I think Bacon needs to stay face, but he needs to be crazier, like late-era Loomis. But then again, we're only a few episodes in. If it gets renewed, and some time... it might just get there on it's own. I personally think the big change for his character would be if Joe had his own ex-wife killed and son perminately put in the cult. That would completely drive Bacon over the edge. But leading the cult? I don't see it out of his character. Not the one they're building.

slashsfro
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Re: The Following

slashsfro wrote:
smoke wrote:

I actually like the show too. I'm thinking it can't go on forever with there just being one "leader" though. They really ought to kill him off at some point, and then have to figure out who's calling the shots. OR, maybe the current leader is a red herring, and there's someone bigger pulling the strings.

The problem with killing Purefoy off is that this will leave a charisma hole in the show.  I think I found the Bacon character pretty interesting during the 3rd(?) episode when his sister showed up and the flashbacks were very effectively used there. 

The Americans have already been renewed for a 2nd season after only four episodes.  I found the last episode pretty enjoyable, not as violent as the first two but still a good character development episode.

slashsfro
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Re: The Following

slashsfro wrote:

Did anyone end up watching this entire season?  I ended up sticking with it the entire year and almost wished I hadn't.  I ended up watching more for the "unintentional humor" and incompentent FBI/local police work.  The season just ended up spiraling downward for the most part.  The plot got progressively worse as the season wore on and they ended up killing most of the interesting characters.

The only good thing was that the season finale wasn't as horrible as I'd thought it be and I'll probably watch a few episodes of Season 2.  Also Kevin Bacon was far more interesting when his character took on a snarky tone.

-D-
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Re: The Following

-D- wrote:

Loved the first 4 and then just lost interest

smoke
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Re: The Following

smoke wrote:
slashsfro wrote:

Did anyone end up watching this entire season?  I ended up sticking with it the entire year and almost wished I hadn't.  I ended up watching more for the "unintentional humor" and incompentent FBI/local police work.  The season just ended up spiraling downward for the most part.  The plot got progressively worse as the season wore on and they ended up killing most of the interesting characters.

The only good thing was that the season finale wasn't as horrible as I'd thought it be and I'll probably watch a few episodes of Season 2.  Also Kevin Bacon was far more interesting when his character took on a snarky tone.

I watched the whole thing, though I almost gave up a few times. Part of me wishes the finale wasn't as good as it was so I could make a clean break.
I'll probably be back in the fall, at least for a little while.

faldor
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Re: The Following

faldor wrote:

Yeah I stuck with it too, but agree it went downhill.  Seemed like a decent premise but it just got too ridiculous for me.  Should've just made a 2 hour movie out of it and stuck with that.  Kevin Bacon was good though.

Axlin16
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Re: The Following

Axlin16 wrote:

I stayed interested throughout, but after awhile it became kind of samey. It's basically what I described earlier, Bacon's character is Loomis meets Jack Bauer. 24 meets Halloween.

Great concept, but it does get tiring. The fact that the fucking cunt with the red hair is still alive didn't irritate me enough to come back, it just made me hate it.

The ending of if was total Kevin Williamson, and totally predictable. I thought at times I was watching Scream 5, but without Neve Campbell.

I think Season 2 needs some re-tooling. Despite it's strong promise, and quick Fox renewal, the show started suffering a ratings dip, so much to the point re-runs of Hawaii Five-O were surpassing it.

I think the show needs some re-tooling, but in some ways it gave away too much too fast. They have a huge uphill battle now to use Season 2 to out-do Season 1.

Personally, here's my wishes for Season 2:

1) Claire
-- Kill Claire perminately. Let the end of Season 1 be the actual ending. Have Claire be dead-to-rights, Joe ends up getting his kid back, Ryan kills Wendy and survives to open the door for Joe's book to be done and new characters to be introduced. Claire's death will be a far bigger motivator and affect on Ryan & Joe, as well as her kid, than her being alive.

2) Kevin Bacon
--- Have Ryan go completely off the deep end as well as the grid. Real late-Halloween 5 & 6 Dr. Loomis. Crazier than friggin' Joe. Ryan becomes a bit of a wild card, as well as nomadic. The F.B.I., nor even Joe's people know where the fuck he is. Ryan should also become an almost laughable unstoppable force as he tries to take out Joe's people one-by-one.

3) Neve Campbell
--- I don't know if it's a Kevin Williamson thing, or just the tone, but I could easily see Campbell on this show as an F.B.I. profiler. Whether it's her or another actress, a bigger and better character than the previous cult-expert should be brought in to track down Ryan, and wrap up Joe. She is assigned with finding Ryan, and slowly learns that Joe's cult is still around, getting stronger and bigger than ever. The character should be the anchor at the F.B.I. smarter than Ryan, but weaker, giving her balance. She also could set up as a future love interest for Ryan, especially when she starts escaping death on a regular basis and she begins to understand Ryan specifically better than anyone, including Ryan.

4) Joe
-- Joe should be battered, bruised, lost, and disillusioned. It should leave him vunerable to attack and other threats from those in the Following who want to take his place, as well as other psychos (from high profile character actors -- Lance Henriksen anyone?) who want to steal his throne


These changes, and more character development, and the series should be fine. The hyper-violence, and killing of already beloved characters too soon imo was a mistake. Otherwise it's still a series with an intriguing story to tell.

slashsfro
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Re: The Following

slashsfro wrote:
Axlin12 wrote:

The fact that the fucking cunt with the red hair is still alive didn't irritate me enough to come back, it just made me hate it.

I think I read somewhere where they might focus more on Emma this upcoming year.  I would hate that as I can't stand her acting or her character.

Axlin12 wrote:

1) Claire
-- Kill Claire perminately. Let the end of Season 1 be the actual ending. Have Claire be dead-to-rights, Joe ends up getting his kid back, Ryan kills Wendy and survives to open the door for Joe's book to be done and new characters to be introduced. Claire's death will be a far bigger motivator and affect on Ryan & Joe, as well as her kid, than her being alive.

I don't have a problem with them killing her off.  She was really boring at times so yeah I'm 100% in favor of this.

Axlin12 wrote:

2) Kevin Bacon
--- Have Ryan go completely off the deep end as well as the grid. Real late-Halloween 5 & 6 Dr. Loomis. Crazier than friggin' Joe. Ryan becomes a bit of a wild card, as well as nomadic. The F.B.I., nor even Joe's people know where the fuck he is. Ryan should also become an almost laughable unstoppable force as he tries to take out Joe's people one-by-one.

I'd love this one as that mean we'd be rid of the alcoholic woe is me Ryan Hardy.  Some of the episodes where Ryan went "heel" were pretty entertaining.

Axlin12 wrote:

3) Neve Campbell
--- I don't know if it's a Kevin Williamson thing, or just the tone, but I could easily see Campbell on this show as an F.B.I. profiler. Whether it's her or another actress, a bigger and better character than the previous cult-expert should be brought in to track down Ryan, and wrap up Joe. She is assigned with finding Ryan, and slowly learns that Joe's cult is still around, getting stronger and bigger than ever. The character should be the anchor at the F.B.I. smarter than Ryan, but weaker, giving her balance. She also could set up as a future love interest for Ryan, especially when she starts escaping death on a regular basis and she begins to understand Ryan specifically better than anyone, including Ryan.

As long as they produce a law enforcement agent that is competent and not a moron, I'm all for it.  I thought they should have explored more of Parker's background with her family.  It was pretty interesting but they never followed up on it.

Axlin12 wrote:

4) Joe
-- Joe should be battered, bruised, lost, and disillusioned. It should leave him vunerable to attack and other threats from those in the Following who want to take his place, as well as other psychos (from high profile character actors -- Lance Henriksen anyone?) who want to steal his throne

I'm going to have disagree with this one.  I thought he was written far too weak in the second half of the year.  I would much rather him go off the rails and become a psycho again.  They almost have to introduce another psycho since most of the other followers are dead aside from Emma and the psycho neighbor.  Henriksen might be too old for that type of role.  I saw him on Hannibal a couple of weeks ago and he looked really old.

Axlin16
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Re: The Following

Axlin16 wrote:

I never actually thought about the fact that Henriksen is getting up there. Joe is great, but sadly there is not another generation of those type of actors coming up through the ranks. hmm

Walton Goggins is probably his generation's Henriksen.


Is Hannibal any good?

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