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- tejastech08
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Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
That level? He's great and all, but he's still a pretty standard lead guitarist. There's nothing "special" going on.
He had a special sound when he was in GN'R. It stood out from all the "tapping" Van Halen wannabes of the time. Nowadays he tries to sound like a modern guitarist and I'm not a fan of the changes he has made to his sound, but his classic GN'R sound was awesome. Very unique.
Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
Slash in his younger years probably didn't fight hard enough for writing credits, but fuck yes he deserved writing credits for NR. Axl did the vocals and synth. Slash did the arrangement. He turned Axl's vocals into an actual song. He turned it into a rock epic. And his solos alone are all timers. The outro is killer.
Although I agree that Slash's contributions to Axl's songs made them great, this argument is missing one point that, to me is, is very important.
It's not Slash that made November Rain into a rock epic. This credit is due to MIKE CLINK.
If you pick the demo, piano and vocals, and you look at it from a producer standpoint you have LOTS of ways to go.
To me both Axl and Slash are important to the GNR SOUND, Izzy is important to the GNR pop appeal in the songs (specially on Appetite song structures) and Mike Clink is the glue that makes it all sound cohesive. He was the closest to George Martin that GNR ever had.
Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
What? So if a song is 5 minutes, that counts as epic even if it sucks? Epic to me is a great, complex and/or groundbreaking song. It could be 10 minutes, it could (though probably won't) be less than 3 minutes. Axl has one of those songs on CD (TWaT). That's it. The rest of it is pure garbage - songs that may have been good at some point but are overproduced and made "complex" with completely unnecssary additions to them. I see a few fans going around saying CD is great and all the songs rock - but not many more than say the same thing about Slash's work. You have to eliminate both extremes and look at what the rest of the people are saying, which is not much in either regard. Most people are pretty blah on both of them individually. That speaks way more than the outspoken people on either end of the spectrum.
The rest of your post is just Slash bashing and ridiculous. Why didn't Axl deliver with BH? Why didn't Axl turn Robin into a Slash level guitarist if Axl's contributions are so great? Your comparisons work both ways.
No it counts as clocking in at a reasonable length when somebody claims Axl was doing unnecessary long songs on CD. There's still quite a bit of epic stuff on the album though. Axl is Axl. And are you even attempting to get a serious reaction calling it pure garbage? Like it or not they're well made songs, nothing garbage about it.
Please, even Slash' own fans admit his work is not that great, several times in this thread alone. You assume I think Axl failed to deliver with those dudes. I don't. Together they have made several songs I'd have no problem seeing on the Illusions, songs that could actually enhance those albums. Not every song on CD is great but many of them give me the exact same experience as the old stuff. Can't say the same for the top hat and evidently neither can many of you.
Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
A guy I used to work with was a classically trained drummer, really into jazz, fusion, and prog rock. He hated Slash with a passion. In his words, ”that guy is terrible. Terrible!”. He then he went into a monologue about how he plays off key.
Now I don't know dick about music, other than I know that some I like and some I don't. I really like what Slash does. In fact I have almost 200 songs by him on my iPod, in a playlist I've since named ”terrible, TERRIBLE”.
But I wonder, is what my ex coworker said true? And if it is, why does it sound so good?
Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
polluxlm wrote:That level? He's great and all, but he's still a pretty standard lead guitarist. There's nothing "special" going on.
He had a special sound when he was in GN'R. It stood out from all the "tapping" Van Halen wannabes of the time. Nowadays he tries to sound like a modern guitarist and I'm not a fan of the changes he has made to his sound, but his classic GN'R sound was awesome. Very unique.
His sound was definitely special, and he's got a talent for creating some licks not many can match. I was referring to his technical level and his position in the band. He's not a virtuoso or a leader, he's "just" the guitar player. Both him and Axl depend on the other.
- Smoking Guns
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Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
Anastasia, Slither, Standing in the sun, sucker train blues, you got no right, ghost, beautiful dangerous, nothing to say, messages, etc with Axl's vocals all enhance CD. It's the VOCALS most people bitch about.
Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
buzzsaw wrote:What? So if a song is 5 minutes, that counts as epic even if it sucks? Epic to me is a great, complex and/or groundbreaking song. It could be 10 minutes, it could (though probably won't) be less than 3 minutes. Axl has one of those songs on CD (TWaT). That's it. The rest of it is pure garbage - songs that may have been good at some point but are overproduced and made "complex" with completely unnecssary additions to them. I see a few fans going around saying CD is great and all the songs rock - but not many more than say the same thing about Slash's work. You have to eliminate both extremes and look at what the rest of the people are saying, which is not much in either regard. Most people are pretty blah on both of them individually. That speaks way more than the outspoken people on either end of the spectrum.
The rest of your post is just Slash bashing and ridiculous. Why didn't Axl deliver with BH? Why didn't Axl turn Robin into a Slash level guitarist if Axl's contributions are so great? Your comparisons work both ways.
No it counts as clocking in at a reasonable length when somebody claims Axl was doing unnecessary long songs on CD. There's still quite a bit of epic stuff on the album though. Axl is Axl. And are you even attempting to get a serious reaction calling it pure garbage? Like it or not they're well made songs, nothing garbage about it.
Please, even Slash' own fans admit his work is not that great, several times in this thread alone. You assume I think Axl failed to deliver with those dudes. I don't. Together they have made several songs I'd have no problem seeing on the Illusions, songs that could actually enhance those albums. Not every song on CD is great but many of them give me the exact same experience as the old stuff. Can't say the same for the top hat and evidently neither can many of you.
LOL. Hilarious. You think average work is great. Good for you. How long was the intro to CD again? How was it necessary to the song again? That's what I thought. All that synth shit in Better sure made that a great song too...lol. Here's what you really keep hearing about the CD songs: "I liked (insert song here) so much better on the leaks/demos/live versions before all the fluff was added" - that's what people say. I've said all along that most of those songs were probably good at some point, but they were ruined. Axl even tried to ruin TWaT, but in most people's mind he failed to destroy it on the album. He tried to make them all epic when they just weren't epic songs. That's the failure of CD. It's not that the songs suck; it's that Axl tried way too hard for way too long to make them into something they could never be.
I don't care if you think Axl failed to deliver with those dudes, I know Axl did. Axl knows he did. Those dudes know they did. The people that buy music know he did. What you think doesn't really matter. He probably had gold at one point, but he turned it to shit by trying to make the songs into something they couldn't be and releasing them when they were so dated that people think they could belong on a 1992 album. no amount of Axl revionist history from you is going to change any of that despite your best efforts.
Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
A guy I used to work with was a classically trained drummer, really into jazz, fusion, and prog rock. He hated Slash with a passion. In his words, ”that guy is terrible. Terrible!”. He then he went into a monologue about how he plays off key.
Now I don't know dick about music, other than I know that some I like and some I don't. I really like what Slash does. In fact I have almost 200 songs by him on my iPod, in a playlist I've since named ”terrible, TERRIBLE”.
But I wonder, is what my ex coworker said true? And if it is, why does it sound so good?
It's not true. Never trust a drummer...they are drumming for a reason.
Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
Anastasia, Slither, Standing in the sun, sucker train blues, you got no right, ghost, beautiful dangerous, nothing to say, messages, etc with Axl's vocals all enhance CD. It's the VOCALS most people bitch about.
I forgot about Messages (still don't know why it wasn't on the album). That song is as good as TWaT. I don't know that it qualifies as epic from a groundbreaking standpoint, but it's a special song even with Scott singing it.
- tejastech08
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Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
polluxlm wrote:buzzsaw wrote:What? So if a song is 5 minutes, that counts as epic even if it sucks? Epic to me is a great, complex and/or groundbreaking song. It could be 10 minutes, it could (though probably won't) be less than 3 minutes. Axl has one of those songs on CD (TWaT). That's it. The rest of it is pure garbage - songs that may have been good at some point but are overproduced and made "complex" with completely unnecssary additions to them. I see a few fans going around saying CD is great and all the songs rock - but not many more than say the same thing about Slash's work. You have to eliminate both extremes and look at what the rest of the people are saying, which is not much in either regard. Most people are pretty blah on both of them individually. That speaks way more than the outspoken people on either end of the spectrum.
The rest of your post is just Slash bashing and ridiculous. Why didn't Axl deliver with BH? Why didn't Axl turn Robin into a Slash level guitarist if Axl's contributions are so great? Your comparisons work both ways.
No it counts as clocking in at a reasonable length when somebody claims Axl was doing unnecessary long songs on CD. There's still quite a bit of epic stuff on the album though. Axl is Axl. And are you even attempting to get a serious reaction calling it pure garbage? Like it or not they're well made songs, nothing garbage about it.
Please, even Slash' own fans admit his work is not that great, several times in this thread alone. You assume I think Axl failed to deliver with those dudes. I don't. Together they have made several songs I'd have no problem seeing on the Illusions, songs that could actually enhance those albums. Not every song on CD is great but many of them give me the exact same experience as the old stuff. Can't say the same for the top hat and evidently neither can many of you.
LOL. Hilarious. You think average work is great. Good for you. How long was the intro to CD again? How was it necessary to the song again? That's what I thought. All that synth shit in Better sure made that a great song too...lol. Here's what you really keep hearing about the CD songs: "I liked (insert song here) so much better on the leaks/demos/live versions before all the fluff was added" - that's what people say. I've said all along that most of those songs were probably good at some point, but they were ruined. Axl even tried to ruin TWaT, but in most people's mind he failed to destroy it on the album. He tried to make them all epic when they just weren't epic songs. That's the failure of CD. It's not that the songs suck; it's that Axl tried way too hard for way too long to make them into something they could never be.
I don't care if you think Axl failed to deliver with those dudes, I know Axl did. Axl knows he did. Those dudes know they did. The people that buy music know he did. What you think doesn't really matter. He probably had gold at one point, but he turned it to shit by trying to make the songs into something they couldn't be and releasing them when they were so dated that people think they could belong on a 1992 album. no amount of Axl revionist history from you is going to change any of that despite your best efforts.
Damn, poor Pollux:
