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Axlin16
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Re: Metallica Joins Spotify, Buries Hatchet With Napster Nemesis

Axlin16 wrote:
metallex78 wrote:
Axlin12 wrote:

It's ALWAYS about protecting profit. Everything in life comes down to it.

And why shouldn't it be?

Napster provided a way to share music files illegally without the artist gaining ANYTHING from it, and you think it's morally the right thing, because artists shouldn't be gaining profit from THEIR own product...?


Absolutely not. Don't think too deeply about this. This isn't good 'ol JR having a philosophical debate with you about "to download, or not to download".

I just think Metallica's excuse is BULL-SHIT. No different than the fucktards on YouTube that illegally post songs, and put that "Fair Use" thing underneath it, like that somehow gives them an escape clause for breaking the law.


Like I said, simplify it for you -- I think BOTH sides are full of shit. All I ever wanted, even back in 1999 was everybody is just fucking admit "it's about the money". It was about the money on the downloader's side who DIDN'T want to pay and it was about money on the artist's side who wanted to GET paid.


It always came down to $$$.


But no one would just fucking say it, they kept coming up with "use" excuses which were bullshit on both sides. And they still do it.

monkeychow
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Re: Metallica Joins Spotify, Buries Hatchet With Napster Nemesis

monkeychow wrote:

I agree it is about money.

Artists want to be paid, and users don't want to pay for the products they use.

However it's also about control.

Lars started his action against Napster when he found an unfinished song that they were currently working on already available for download.

I don't know too many artists who would respond well to that.

I think the jury is still out. People say he was wrong as he wasn't able to stop the downloading craze, but I dunno, maybe in the longer term when the industry has entirely gone to shit...maybe then people will view his outlook a little different. When people don't make new albums and only tour classic hits and artists can't get funding to make an album - then we'll chat if lars was wrong wink

tejastech08
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Re: Metallica Joins Spotify, Buries Hatchet With Napster Nemesis

tejastech08 wrote:
monkeychow wrote:

2. Bands like NIN that give stuff away all benefited from millions of dollars of marketing in their formative years, maybe you can give stuff away and live off your reputation once you have one...but it's pretty hard to get started without investment....and the net result of this model is no record companies investing....how are kids today going to record the black album? It's just not going to happen cos funding music is like throwing away $.

I've gotta call bullshit on this entire paragraph. My favorite current artist is The Civil Wars. They went the "Do It Yourself" route and pulled it off. They put a free live album on the Internet for people to listen to them. They didn't sell out to the major labels in order to record their debut album. They recorded some videos of themselves performing and put them on YouTube. Those videos have gone viral with millions of views. They released the album themselves and it was #1 on the iTunes chart simply because they built a following through their own hard work, not the major label machine. It can be done.

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