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Re: GN'R To Play Jakarta In December
misterID wrote:In all seriousness, is this not the longest tour in the history of tours?
Then a band like Metallica is also making a run for the longest tour in the history of tours. (No, Lulu doesn't count!)
In all seriousness, it's time to start viewing a "tour" a bit different than shows played by a band between the release of two album. It's a very 90's-ish way of looking at it....
Every band nowadays sure have moved on from that formula.
This has been the Chinese Democracy tour since 2002. That's at least 10 years. 
Re: GN'R To Play Jakarta In December
touring an album/promoting new material whatever you wanna call it, promoting yourself. if you're an artist, you shouldn't be satisfied being a nostalgia trip. that is the crux of the matter for me. & in that point is contained a lack of respect for everyone involved in the thing, including the fans.
i agree re: metallica. that's fair enough - acts don't necessarily need something new as an excuse to go & tour. but GnR's context is a little different - Metallica have shown interest in creating & releasing new music, even when they do stop-gap tours/shows like the euro festival circuit. GnR have been peddling the same 'new' material since '01. to Metallica, these shows with no new music to promote are not their usual trip & that's more excusable than what GnR have done the past 11 years. a lotta bands break & do that Don't Look Back thing of playing their classic albums & then go and make new music & tour again. Axl has stopped making new music & that's what's indefensible about their context.
& don't get me wrong - i fucking love it that people who have never got to see Axl live before get to see him, i know that feeling.
but at the same time, in the wider context, it's not a particularly healthy or indeed respectful situation.
Re: GN'R To Play Jakarta In December
johndivney wrote:Naltav wrote:Every band nowadays sure have moved on from that formula.
that's completely untrue.
for the vast majority of bands there is still the cycle of album-tour-album-tour.
i genuinely do not no of any band or artist who tours as much as GnR withOUT fresh material.
bob dylan's tour is actually called 'the never-ending tour' & he's been on it since the early 90s (if not the late 80's) but even he has managed to release, what, 4/5 albums of original material since GnR dropped the UYI sets.
i'm genuinely past caring about the tour/recording situation. i'm tired of this:
feeling.
but what i can't suffer is this apologetic nonsense that it's somehow ok or normal behaviour. hell, even in the stones thread someone made the point that the rolling stones have released more original material this century than GnR have. that is fucked up, plain & simple. & no disguising of the facts will hide the truth, that axl has fucked everything up - the legacy, the enjoyment, the fans & the passion. & his touring, tho it makes some people happy, isn't what will last. what will last is all the wasted opportunities & a handful of great songs.
in all seriousness, it's time for a reality check naltav. now if you wanna present some facts that prove your argument then maybe i'll check myself. but seriously, you're defending the indefensible with an idea - or formula - that doesn't hold water.
i do agree in a lot of ways the business model of the music industry has changed. but really, i don't know what you're seeing or what you're listening to if you think things have changed so much that it's justifiable to be touring an album that's really in effect a decade old, but being polite 5 years old. what other bands are doing that?!When I'm saying "every band have moved on from that formula", I might have jumped the gun a little. I don't follow other bands as closely as I do GNR. But there sure is a mentality out there of "we could just put on some shows for the sake of playing music (and making a living/maintaining our standard of living)" And I also see that mentality among friends and avarage concert-goers. When a cool band comes to town, the reaction is "Allright, they're a great act, let's go!" The default reaction of "They must be touring a brand new album", not so much......
But when it comes to GNR, I'm in the camp of "release some new stuff allready! Jeezzz!"
But that's the rabid hardcore fan mentality.johndivney wrote:i don't know what you're seeing or what you're listening to if you think things have changed so much that it's justifiable to be touring an album that's really in effect a decade old, but being polite 5 years old. what other bands are doing that?!
To be fair, it's 4 years old.
Like I mentioned. Metallica is not really out there pimping Death Magnetic, wich came out in '08. And as far as I know, they were touring this summer. They are touring to keep their brand alive and to make money.
The fact that you use the term "touring an album", shows me that you might be kinda stuck in an old mentality.But your point on GNR releasing fewer albums than other acts. THAT I agree with!
Chinese Democracy is not 4 years old.......C'MON MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: GN'R To Play Jakarta In December
Soundgarden has the right formula.....
Surprise shows and Lollapalooza
Telephantasm release including new song
touring
Live on I5 release
touring
Live to Rise soundtrack song
King Animal album
touring
new album and/or box set of rarities
ALL of this action started TWO years after CD's release. All GNR has accomplished in that time frame is being a touring nostalgia act. Soundgarden has accomplished more in two years than Axl has in 21 years.
When GNR can come within a light year of that kind of action, then I'll be impressed. AFD/CD rehash in Vegas and Indonesia means nothing(no offense to those going to the shows).
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No one I know outside of this forum cares at all about any of those things Soundgarden has done so that can't be the formula for success either. Maybe they're having success that I'm not seeing or everyone but the people I know care about.
Every single they've released in the past two years has charted higher than any of CD's singles so yeah......people care.
You think GNR's formula is better than Soundgarden's? If Soundgarden did what GNR's been doing for years, there would be so much bitching from fans that the sites would become ghost towns. GNR fans seem to be the only fans willing to put up with so much inaction.
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Re: GN'R To Play Jakarta In December
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Re: GN'R To Play Jakarta In December
Soundgarden has the right formula.....
Surprise shows and Lollapalooza
Telephantasm release including new song
touring
Live on I5 release
touring
Live to Rise soundtrack song
King Animal album
touring
new album and/or box set of raritiesALL of this action started TWO years after CD's release. All GNR has accomplished in that time frame is being a touring nostalgia act. Soundgarden has accomplished more in two years than Axl has in 21 years.
When GNR can come within a light year of that kind of action, then I'll be impressed. AFD/CD rehash in Vegas and Indonesia means nothing(no offense to those going to the shows).
That does sound like a better formula than GNR's. Not that I have noticed any of it. Maybe the music is just not that good or maybe it's just not catching on mainstream....?
I don't think ANY gnr-fan would argue that GNR should have done things completly different during the last decade.
With that said. I'm surprised (in a positive way) over the way the new management have handled things. The UCAP-tour seemed cool as fuck, TV-interview coming up, TV-interview last year, the Vegas-thing celebrating a great album at the same time they're focusing on the "newest" release (yeah, I'm not soooo negative about Vegas anylonger. I really like how they've started to focus on the new lineup with banners, posters etc), possible cinema-release of a gig followed by a dvd/bluray (that will also play a part in establishing the "new" guys and further implement the fact that the GNR of the 80's and 90's is a thing for the historybooks.).
Only thing missing for us hardcores, is the elephant in the room: NEW MUSIC. And I do believe we'll hear something sooner rather than later.
