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- metallex78
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Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
Both slash and Axl compose on the same level or better than they always did, what you are hearing is the absence of the other.
I have to agree with the 'chow on this one, mostly because Slash's riffing and soloing is just monstrous on Apocalyptic Love.
- monkeychow
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Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
tejastech08 - I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I think without Axl the whole GNR back catalogue would sound like Snakepit.
And without Slash the whole GNR back catalogue would have wound up with guitar parts similar to chinese.
It was the combination that made those songs impressive, the parts of the songs isolated to me are just as good as many of the parts of the modern songs if they're allowed to be isolated.
Well - that and the passage of time - in its era it was more innovational - like sure SCOM is prob more catchy than the anastasia riff - but that's just cos in 1987 or whenever no one had done a riff of that type.
If anything anastasia is an example of slash evolving - it's a bit like SCOM and a bit like DTJ....but much harder to play.
Axl's voice is a little weaker in places I'll admit - but i was talking about composing and writing - it's not really fair to expect him to have a teenagers voice in his 50s.
So in short - i really dispute that the modern stuff when separated into vox and tars is any worse than the old stuff - i think the only difference is they work alone now and not together - and that it's not the 1980s anymore.
- tejastech08
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Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
tejastech08 - I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I think without Axl the whole GNR back catalogue would sound like Snakepit.
And without Slash the whole GNR back catalogue would have wound up with guitar parts similar to chinese.
It was the combination that made those songs impressive, the parts of the songs isolated to me are just as good as many of the parts of the modern songs if they're allowed to be isolated.
Well - that and the passage of time - in its era it was more innovational - like sure SCOM is prob more catchy than the anastasia riff - but that's just cos in 1987 or whenever no one had done a riff of that type.
If anything anastasia is an example of slash evolving - it's a bit like SCOM and a bit like DTJ....but much harder to play.
Axl's voice is a little weaker in places I'll admit - but i was talking about composing and writing - it's not really fair to expect him to have a teenagers voice in his 50s.
So in short - i really dispute that the modern stuff when separated into vox and tars is any worse than the old stuff - i think the only difference is they work alone now and not together - and that it's not the 1980s anymore.
What does the 80's have to do with it in my case? I first discovered GN'R in the late 90's. I was born in late '85, so I was way too young to know who they were in their heyday and I discovered them during the post-grunge wasteland of 90's rock radio. The GN'R version of Slash laid down some of the catchiest guitar riffs and solos anyone has come up with. Axl benefited a ton from this because Slash basically had a "singing guitar" sound with awesome melodies built in. Axl desperately misses this in his music nowadays, while Slash's current sound seems more influenced by grunge and post-grunge than the Zeppelin and Aerosmith sound he had in his heyday. To me it's just not anywhere near as catchy as his GN'R material.
Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
Sky Dog wrote:Civil War
14 Years
Yesterdays
Black Leather
The Garden
Dust N Bones
Breakdown
Locomotive
November Rain
Double Talkin Jive
Estranged
You Could Be Mine
Aint It Fun
Comaa current mashup of uyi and si on my ipod.....those 14 songs SHIT all over Chinese Democracy.
Just your opinion.
5 of those shits over most Chinese songs, the rest does not. My opinion.
I am happy to see some new band fans. I like Chinese but I find the Illusion era much better. That is why I am so pissed we can't hear the rest of the Chinese sessions because the game would get much tighter. I honestly believe the leftovers could be better than Chinese....and that is because I truly believe Chinese ended up being the leaks album.
- Me_Wise_Magic
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Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
DCK wrote:Sky Dog wrote:Civil War
14 Years
Yesterdays
Black Leather
The Garden
Dust N Bones
Breakdown
Locomotive
November Rain
Double Talkin Jive
Estranged
You Could Be Mine
Aint It Fun
Comaa current mashup of uyi and si on my ipod.....those 14 songs SHIT all over Chinese Democracy.
Just your opinion.
5 of those shits over most Chinese songs, the rest does not. My opinion.
I am happy to see some new band fans. I like Chinese but I find the Illusion era much better. That is why I am so pissed we can't hear the rest of the Chinese sessions because the game would get much tighter. I honestly believe the leftovers could be better than Chinese....and that is because I truly believe Chinese ended up being the leaks album.
Seems that way. Going the Smile Sessions approach with the Chinese vault is the only way for Axl to move forward and make new tunes with this band that is more than capable to write and record some kick ass rock that fans will enjoy! It will also explain what the hell actually happened during all those years tinkering n' screwing around in the various studio rooms.
- monkeychow
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Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
What does the 80's have to do with it in my case? I first discovered GN'R in the late 90's.
Ahh ok cool.
I speak only for myself then...in that while I feel the songs are timeless...to an extent for me it's hard to judge them independently of the era when I was exposed to them.
Like what I mean is - growing up Mr Brownstone was my favourite song for an age...it was so much cooler than everything else around it...so like to judge it against a modern cool sounding rock song for me is hard....brownstone has like 25 years of cool time under it's belt...it did those things before a lot of other things did them.....
I feel this way about movies too.
Like say Terminator 2. I'm sure it's still a great movie today. But proportionally it was more epic in 1991 or whatever because that was almost the first use of morphing technology that now is really standard.
Or say Starwars. I'm sure I could watch episode 4 now and it would still be an awesome movie, but proportionally compared to what else was on at the cinema in 1977 when it came out. It's become a classic now - but it would have been insanely mindblowing in its era as nothing was even in the same ballpark.
So to me when you refer to classic GNR stuff it's sort of the same. I know jungle is a great song, but it's now sort of mythological to me, it's jungle. It's one of the songs that defined us all. So if never existed and it was made now - how would I like it? The same? More? Less?
So like to me. You can't judge a modern effects movie and say if it's better or worse than Star Wars. It's probably better and worse...but it also only happened now in this era post Star Wars.
And I feel a bit the same about GNR. I can't really objectively compare a song on AL to a song on AFD....as it's hard to step away from the foundational nature of AFD and the 25 years of history there.
But I will say that I strongly believe that if you took the basis of any old GNR song - and had the snakepit band do it - or the chinese band do it - the results would be similar to the solo output of those bands these days. I really don't feel the writing standard has dropped, i just think both Axl and Slash play on a level that is different to mortals....and when you put them together you create a perfect storm.
- tejastech08
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Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
I don't really buy into the idea that it would sound the same. You mentioned Brownstone. That's an example where it was a total band effort across the board. Izzy and Slash's guitars, Izzy and Axl's lyrics, Axl's crazy voice, the amazing groove created by Steven and Duff. Bottom line is I don't think anyone other than those 5 guys could have come up with that song.
Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
I think the time AFD and UYI came out has a lot to do with it.
I think it is very different for people who were there when AFD and UYI came out than the younger generation who gravitate towards GN'R, or what they were once upon a time, now. Younger kids seem to be the most fervent of the legend, or the mythic status of the band, it seems to me. Maybe because they missed out on it, or it represents something bigger to them.
Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
when's the last time a rock n roll band of gnr's tenacity did anything but get worse with age (change/maturity)?
and that's before even mentioning the breakup
slash hasn't had a singer/songwriter of axl's capability with him post gnr
axl hasn't had a guitar player of slash's capability with him post gnr
they were better together, yes
but to say their work as individuals is better than when they were in gnr is crazy for me
they are both more knowledgeable as musicians, yes, and studio technology certainly helped axl expand his horizons in spots in chinese like twat
but they are both out of their prime from a creative/emotional standpoint
if slash and axl wrote and album together 90 percent of the appetite/uyi songs would destroy the best song on the album.
it would be better than what they are doing right now, nothing more, nothing less.
