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- tejastech08
- Rep: 194
Re: Hillary keeps digging her own grave...
Oh, Barack just owned her ass on the credit card thing. The difference between him and her is that he makes people laugh when he attacks. She makes people cringe/boo.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: Hillary keeps digging her own grave...
Randall Flagg wrote:If you don't have healthcare it's because you work a job that requires no competiton and your employer does not have to offer benefits to keep good workers or you choose not to pay for it and spend your money elsewhere. Just because you choose to have children and work a job that doesn't provide you with the level of care you think you're entitled to doesn't mean I should have to pay for your poor choices in life.
Look, I'll debate with you if you like, but not if you're gonna be an asshole and say I've made poor choices in my life. Fuck you.
I'm not trying to be an asshole. You advocate a position that affects my wallet. I nor is anyone else responsible for the actions of others. I'm not telling you how to live your life; I would never be so arrogant or presumptious to assume I could tell you what best fits your time on Earth. What I will say is that the vast majority of Americans have health care from their employer, qualify for medicare/medicade or elect to not receive health care even though they make enough to afford it. Only 3 million people in America don't fall into the above categories - which constiitutes 1%. I refuse to change from having the best and most efficient care in the world to a mediocre system just because a very small minority can't receive care. If only 1% are without the option of care, I'd say we're doing pretty damn good.
I'll debate with anyone all day long; just don't run on the premise that I or anyone else owes you something because you intentionally make/made choices to put you in a bad postion. You can't get mad at me for making a personal example against your argument when you made a personal example for yours. Being that we have the best care in the world and Obama's plan still wouldn't eliminate the 1% w/o care, I fail to see a reason to support socialized medicine.
Socialized medicine is a can of worms you people don't want to open. If you let the govt play mommy and daddy to you, you're gonna get treated like a kid again and all your vices and unhealthy choices will be taxed to extreme portions or just outright outlawed. It's already happening with smoking bans and transfat bans and the govt doesn't even pay for the majority of people yet.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: Hillary keeps digging her own grave...
Look, I'll debate with you if you like, but not if you're gonna be an asshole and say I've made poor choices in my life. Fuck you.
I don't think he meant it to sound as personal as it did. A republican talking point is if you disagree with any of their agenda, you are a drug addict on welfare.
Having said, Flagg should try and keep anything resembling a personal attack out of debates.
Bullshit, I meant it exactly how it came out. If you don't have health coverage in America it is because you choose not to. If someone can't afford to have kids, they shouldn't have kids and expect someone else to pick up the tab. The latter sentence is in no way directed at Bri, just a general statement. Responsible people/adults behave responsibly. Live within your means and stand by your decisions. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
- Communist China
- Rep: 130
Re: Hillary keeps digging her own grave...
Yeah, but without kids, you run a big risk of having no family. Since many people would only marry someone who wants children, it's an important stabilizing structure. Employers are usually more trusting of "family" people for jobs, raises, promotions, etc. Regardless of economic status, a family system offers a lot of stability.
That was in no way meant as anything to Bri, of course I don't know him or his family. Just a fact.
Re: Hillary keeps digging her own grave...
I refuse to change from having the best and most efficient care in the world to a mediocre system just because a very small minority can't receive care. If only 1% are without the option of care, I'd say we're doing pretty damn good.
if you think the USA has the best care in the world you're delusional...and not everyone in the USA is in a position to receive good coverage...hell my father was a CEO of a company and he didnt have the proper care to pay for his expenses when he fell ill and the illness ultimately bankrupted him
as for finding a better job and beniftis to match for your family...its a hard proposition. even for us up here in canada, i looked long and hard to change positions to have one thats better suited to my family...i finaly did it but i took a paycut to do so...and the financial state of the US economy right now, i can only imagine its harder south of the border
another thing....try not to get personal in this section....we love to keep it open for those of you who enjoy debating but if things get nasty then we'll have to reaccess the purpose of the section...but imo its not here to start personal fights 
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: Hillary keeps digging her own grave...
I have no interest in making personal attacks and if my post was received as such, I apologize. However, if someone uses a personal story as center piece of their argument, it is logical and reasonable to use that same story in a counter argument. If I ever reference my military service as a center piece in an argument, feel free to call me a brainwashed baby killer or elitist officer 
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: Hillary keeps digging her own grave...
The average wait for care in Canada is 17 weeks. The US has a higher machine to patient ratio than any other country. If you have access to care, and the majority of American do, America has the best care in the world. With regard to our economy, I know of noone that is suffering now as a cause of a supposed rough economy. Our unemployment rate is among the lowest in the world and is lower than Canada's if I am correct. Simply put, more Canadians come to America for treatment than vice versa.
I agree, it's not a perfect world. People need to balance and weigh their options. Some jobs come with a higher personal and family costs, but provide better financially. This is the case everywhere and unless we adopt a Rawlsian mindset, that's not going to change.
Re: Hillary keeps digging her own grave...
The average wait for care in Canada is 17 weeks. The US has a higher machine to patient ratio than any other country. If you have access to care, and the majority of American do, America has the best care in the world.
yet if you dont have health care you're basically fucked doesnt matter how sick you are...i'm not interested in a system that treats people with more money first
as for the wait times...well alot of doctors go to where the $$$ is...Canada trains and schools alot of Doctor's yet they go to other countries for employment
again the bolded part is the downfall of your statement...in Canada EVERYONE has access to healthcare
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: Hillary keeps digging her own grave...
In America 99% have access to it. Whether or not they act on it is a different story.
Re: Hillary keeps digging her own grave...
I'll accept the apology, but I haven't made any bad choices. I didn't "choose" to have twins prematurely. That is not a choice. In fact, I didn't choose to have that number of kids. I got one more kid than I planned for. I didn't choose to rack up a bill of $300K. I didn't choose for my employer to cover only 95% of my bill. I have a damn good job and damn good coverage, but what does 5 percent of $300K equal? About $15K. Kudos to you if you have that much just lying around. I didn't. And I'm paying for it. It was all essential care but the insurance carriers fucked around with loopholes and language and stuck me with a bill that's affected my life ever since.
Thankfully, Bush has fucked up the economy so bad that house prices came down far enough that I just got my first mortgage and my first house. I'll have to thank George for that. Yeah, I know, George has nothing to do with housing, right? Maybe, but he waited too long to act. Any average American could see what was going on last year, spring maybe. Especially if you were selling, like me.
