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- monkeychow
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Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
I personally think TWAT is the most overrated song in GNR history. verses are nonsensical and dumb.. he rhymes all with *Gulp* all 3 times... Chorus completely is a mess and doesn't fit with the music. It has 2 good moments.. outro screams and bucket solo.
that hardly makes a song great or classic.
the solo is even overrated due to the "Cheerleader" effect and the fact it is the best solo on a mediocre guitar album.
What's nonsensical about the verses? It's like him reminiscing about that time and I'd guess the Steph era. It's quite poetically done I think. Not like there's anything in there that's outright not making sense.
I'll give you the chorus isn't special...but hell...those outro screams.....
the bucket solo is adequate.
But those screams...Axl's best moment IMO.
- monkeychow
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Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
Devil hates a loser and u thought u heard it all???
I took that as Axl making reference to that saying people use. Not sure of it's origin...but people sometimes use the expression:
Even the Devil hates a coward.
I'd guess it came from war or something but I don't really know.
Anyway, to me much of the song seems to be about a court battle and the hypocrisy of the woman (steph?) who forgets all the dodgy things she did in the relationship (cheating etc) and paints herself as an angel.
So to me that line is Axl's way of saying that her values must be to win at all costs regardless of what really happened.
Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
No, you see things how you want, that's what your point is. Never mind reality. But you have proved one thing: It's all about your own personal taste and that's what you base your opinions on. Except you try to package it as fact. Go down with your ship, dude, your point has been sunk.
Most of those albums are considered the artists best work. It has nothing to do with chart success.
You brought up chart success with You're A Lie, I didn't. So I mentioned TWAT. Showing "success" is basically meaningless in regards to quality.
I never said I didn't mention YAL. I said I didn't bring up TWAT, which you said I did.
We all see things how we want. You're as guilty as anyone. The difference is I acknowledge that and you insist that the way you see it is the right way. I just tend to see things the way most people do, that's all. Doesn't make me more or less right, it just means more people agree with me (for whatever that is worth).
Who considers the REM album their best work? I've NEVER heard anybody say that about that album, and I'm a pretty big fan. Weezer's had better albums. I'd love to know who you're polling when making these clamis...
Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
buzzsaw wrote:You're picking apart the quality of the playing/performance, not the quality of the song. And Axl is nowhere near his old self singing. Sorry.
He seems to have lost his voice live which is a shame.
But I'm talking moments.
That's what music is to me.
That moment when the drums kick back in and it feels perfect. That scream that says what needed to be said....that guitar solo that says what words can't say....seconds in songs that make them genius...that's what GNR is to me.
When I look at it like that, I'd suggest there's as many bad ass Slash moments outside of GNR as there are in it. And I think *some of* the best Axl moments come in Chinese Democracy...
I love the old band and the old songs but I think we've mythologised them. When you go back and listen to AFD you can hear the same sorts of riffs and solos that Slash plays on his new album. Just with a more appropriate singer....not saying it's not a great album....but it's not really that different from what he does now.....likewise....catcher/twat/sod....they're not all that removed from UYI axl tracks at all.....
So i find it odd that so many of us seem to enjoy one and hate the other, or love the old stuff and hate everything after, when it's all very very similar at a foundational level...
I'd be interested if AFD had never been made if Axl and Slash made it tonight...what you'd all think....
I'd think Slash needs to find a new singer...same thing I think now. Same thing I've been saying since this internet thing got big.
Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
ID...I see what you're getting at...although I do disagree a little....
Perhaps in a way Izzy was the balance to both their problems. I think Slash can be a little too much straight ahead rock at times - sometimes it's great but sometimes the song structures are a little obvious. But then I think Axl's genius for editing and restructuring songs can also go a little too far and did with some of the Chinese Democracy numbers...
It's hard to know the real reason for things.
As i'm pretty sure if they got on, Axl and Slash could make a kick ass song without the need for anyone else. Hell coma was kickass...and I'm sure they could make albums of stuff like that in theory.
But then I also wonder if Axl ran out of hard rock lyrics. Don't mean it as a diss. But like AFD rockers are about life on the street. The UYI rockers are mostly about his transition to fame. I wonder if slash showed up with a snakepit full of songs and Axl just didn't have anything in mind anymore. Some call that slash's riff's being generic, others call it Axl being inspired by industrial, but I wonder if he was just creatively done in terms of the hard rock style....
It's notable that while chinese is a fucking kickass album to me, there's no GNR style hard rock tracks, the whole album is very much like UYI style Axl ballads, there's a little kind industrial rock like shacker and riad..but even those are sort of more dance inspired in the way the lyrics work...or IF the World which is more of a bond theme....amazing album....but there's no "perfect crimes" on there...and I think it might be that axl said what he has to say in that style....
My favorite GnR songs are essentially Axl and Slash songs, so yes, they could have and would have produced fantastic stuff had they continued working together.
Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
-D- wrote:Devil hates a loser and u thought u heard it all???
I took that as Axl making reference to that saying people use. Not sure of it's origin...but people sometimes use the expression:
Even the Devil hates a coward.
I'd guess it came from war or something but I don't really know.
Anyway, to me much of the song seems to be about a court battle and the hypocrisy of the woman (steph?) who forgets all the dodgy things she did in the relationship (cheating etc) and paints herself as an angel.
So to me that line is Axl's way of saying that her values must be to win at all costs regardless of what really happened.
I pretty much ignore the lyrics, but musically it's the only song on CD that is worthy of being a GnR song. I have to admit even Robin brought it to that song. I don't like it as much as I did when it first came out, but it's still the only CD song I'll ever listen to.
- monkeychow
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Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
I pretty much ignore the lyrics, but musically it's the only song on CD that is worthy of being a GnR song.
Starting to understand why you don't like CD Buzz 
What do you think of "If the World"?
I think the vocal melody is really pretty, and it shows off Axl's voice the way the softer numbers like "Since I don't have you" did back in the day....
Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
buzzsaw wrote:I pretty much ignore the lyrics, but musically it's the only song on CD that is worthy of being a GnR song.
Starting to understand why you don't like CD Buzz
What do you think of "If the World"?
I think the vocal melody is really pretty, and it shows off Axl's voice the way the softer numbers like "Since I don't have you" did back in the day....
It's been forever since I listened to it and I am not going to listen to it just to answer your question. Color me unimpressed.
I've always been a guitar/music guy, and I've never made a secret of it. Not sure why you'd sufddenly get that from me now after all these years...
that response reaks of a guy who knows that what he just read is TRUTH!