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Re: Argument: Have Two Bands, Axl
How to solve all your issues and move on.
Band 1: Guns N' Roses
A group consisting of, but not limited to, Axl, Slash and Duff.
A band whose album discography extends from AFD to CD.
Band 2: GNR
A group consisting of, but not limited to, the current touring lineup of Guns N' Roses.
A band whose album discography opens with a self-titled album including, but not limited to, tracks from the CD sessions.
I'm not suggesting Band 1 (Guns N' Roses) would ever play live or release an album despite the arrangement, by the way.
It would simply be Axl benefiting from the band name indirectly (and fairly, given he owns the name), and keeping his current work separate from his work with the old band.
Would you support a band named GNR as a sort of continuation band to Guns N' Roses?
Re: Argument: Have Two Bands, Axl
2 or 3 bands like Maynard from Tool. Have your experimental one (Puscifer), your other rock band (A Perfect Circle), and your bread and butter (Tool). Axl should have done that when Slash left. A bit to late now as Axl seems fully committed to "his" Gnr.
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Re: Argument: Have Two Bands, Axl
I agree Sky I'd have:
- Guns N Roses: Original & best, 1 more studio album & 1 world tour. All five collaborate like the AFD days on this album.
- Guns: the new line up, look at the 'hired gun' thing in the eye and laugh back at it. More experimental and epic side of Axl's rock persona.
- Axl Rose solo, more movie scope music - heavy on keys etc. Bring in a more ecclectic band to play it live.
- Revolver: VR with a different front man for each album / tour cycle. Invite Dave Grohl, Chris Cornell, Mike Patton, Jerry Cantrell etc to work on an individual album with you.
- Slash Solo: Get a producer who pushes you waaaay outside your comfort zone. Use 'Watch This' as your blueprint and write an album that's challenging, modern heavy rock.
With all of this on, I'd be the happiest rock music fan on this planet.
Re: Argument: Have Two Bands, Axl
I've suggested privately to others, with Axl's issues with the label and their lack of interest in promoting the current GN'R in America and overall that Axl's last card of leverage is the reunion and he should use it to his full advantage.
Basically this...
Axl goes to Uni and agrees fully to the reunion.
There's a catch though.
Universal in return has to relinquish all control of the vault, whatever Axl recorded during the CD sessions, back fully to Axl in ownership to not only do with what he wishes, but ALSO release under the Guns N' Roses name independently in the future.
If Universal balks, throw in an agreement for a "full reunion studio album", to sweeten the deal.
See if they bite.
I don't see why they wouldn't, and it would be Axl's final play. It gives his stuff back to him, he can still release it, get full profits from it, and yet at the same time, he still rakes in the cash from the reunion. All problems are solved.
The only issue is that Guns N' Roses the band would go back to Axl, Slash & Duff officially, and some people would get fired. I don't see Axl (or Slash) wanting Matt back, and Izzy & Steven would never be more than recurring special guest stars, BUT could be full-time studio players. More than likely Richard and/or Tommy, Frank & Chris get to keep their jobs. GN'R will never ever tour again as a stripped-down rock band. Get over it. The original 5 will never be the original 5. Dizzy will always be there at least as a 6th member, and at that point you might as well keep Chris in the "Teddy role", and frankly Axl will flat out argue with the guys about having another guitarist. He likes it, and he wants to keep it that way. With Slash on board, I see Axl dropping the additional lead, but he might want dual rhythm. You could see a situation where Izzy and/or Gilby play back and forth with Tommy on stage as guitarists, and Duff on bass.
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Re: Argument: Have Two Bands, Axl
Yeah i think the ship for the 2 bands thing has sailed.
Had Axl gone on initially under a new name - (circa when Slash left, and the band was about Paul and Robin) - then I think that project would have got less heat from fans...as a lot of the fan division basically boils down to people not approving of the name usage.
I mean like in VR - scott got some heat for not being Axl - but fundamentally people were willing to try it out as a new entity. I think the CD line up would have been given a half shot from fans - especially given the original intent of exploring new musical directions.
But now that CD came out as a Guns N' Roses album.....it would be really confusing to make CD2 and CD3 if such a thing happens a new entity....then if a reunion happens and they tour....do they play any songs from CD or is that done by Axl's other band that released CD2 cos it's got bumble and so on....
Would have been a good idea at the time, but I think it's too late for that now, Axl's pot committed with the status quo.
Re: Argument: Have Two Bands, Axl
The fact that this is even being discussed pretty much sums everything up.
I think it says more about the obsessive love for the old line up. That's not a jab at them either, just what it is. This has been suggested from the very start of the new line up. Why can't he do both?
I hate the wife/girlfriend analogies, but this is basically like the husband who can't give up on his wife who doesn't love him anymore. She can have sex with other men, but they have to stay married and live in the same house. Even if it's in seperate bedrooms and she treats you like shit. Basically, "War Of The Roses." Fitting title, isn't it?
Why it wouldn't happen? Because it would be a disaster. There's a reason the old guys aren't working together in a band anymore.
The best thing to hope for is Axl, Slash and Duff work together on like a Slash or Duff solo album at some point.
Re: Argument: Have Two Bands, Axl
The fact that this is even being discussed pretty much sums everything up.
lol
the soln. is same as it's been last 20yrs, a bad attitude - write n release GnR albums as good as before. & maybe stop blaming Slash. u don't need 2 or 22 bands if he'd just do his fuckin job & do it well u wouldn't need anything more. but he prefers to be distracted by petty perceived grievances.
