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Re: On Truth, The Man Who Wasn't There and Happy Endings
"Until every single one of [the inaccurate accounts and fallacies regarding the old lineup] has been brought out in the light, there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion."
Well, Axl,
Your truth is yours.
That is, your view of the world and the priorities you set to things, ideas and people are the sum of the stuff you've picked up along the way, and for better or for worse, those things make up your personality. Your truth has elements from all over, like everyone else's, but it's made up by yourself alone.
You know how to align yourself to it accordingly, in order to stay true. You stick to your truth, despite the heavy lifting you oftentimes have to do with it. The outside world often has a truth drowning yours.
The media has different truths outlet to outlet, reporter to reporter. The public have different truths about the lineups. The fans certainly have different truths on release schedules.
Axl, be serious. The reason your truth is not heard is because of the way we see you, a man desperately trying to remain still.
"But hey if ya gotta then maybe we can get the "no show, grandstanding, publicity stunt, disrespectful, he doesn't care about the fans" crap out of the way as quickly as we can and let's move on."
The public got what they wanted, perhaps. All the GNR drama about will they or won't they, with you yourself contributing to the ambiguity. How did you tweet on December 7th, after the nomination was publicized?
"I’d like to thank the Rock N’ Roll Hall of Fame and our fans. This is your victory."
And then you drop the bombshell a few days before the show to get a "grandstanding" for your truth. Everybody boos at you, all news reports on the event seem to feature the Man Who Wasn't There.
Myles Kennedy showed up to take your place. But no-one dared to bill the performance as "Guns N' Roses". Izzy did the right thing by not playing, and that goes in line with what the others have been doing over the years. The last time four or more AFD members were on the same stage was when Izzy came back in 1993.
You could've said no thanks for a performance the easy way, but knowing the public image of you, the media was anxious for the suspense, and you probably had a laugh at it yourself. And everybody who wanted a show seemed to enjoy the performance by Myles and the Guns alumni.
"Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense."
You blew a hole to the reunion scheme the hard way. You paid back every harsh word about CD, the band and yourself in rose petals by stating, no, not going. The world sneers at your dream, you sneer back when asked to pull a number for them.
The biggest losers at the moment are your fans, dude. The ones who bother to wait out for you despite you being notoriously late from just about everything. The ones who share your truth about Chinese Democracy and about what GNR today is all about.
You wanted the public to move on, well, maybe RRHOF will do the trick. But if you want your fans to heed that call, you better haul ass as well. Cause frankly, your boy, DJ, is less than Gilby in the GNR legacy, as he's never played on a GNR album.
"Until [the truth is out there], there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion."
Whenever you want to start washing the dirty laundry of the old Guns publicly, I'm willing to bet we're all ears. Wait, you did that after releasing CD. It was a lot about how you felt what was necessary, a lot less about what happened from your point of view. In fact, you were so busy debunking other peoples' stories, you forgot to tell how it actually went down.
Do a song about it and you'll be heard alright.
- Smoking Guns
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Re: On Truth, The Man Who Wasn't There and Happy Endings
Axl, what a bad call he had with the hof.
- monkeychow
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Re: On Truth, The Man Who Wasn't There and Happy Endings
I feel the following:
1. If Axl feels so strongly that the history of the band is inaccurate I'd welcome him publishing his own account. His perspective on events would be invaluable to us fans. I'd be particularly keen to read it if he was honest about his darker moments too - he's a complex guy - and I'd be interested to know what it's actually like to be him - to have such talent, but such emotion and all the hardcore life experiences he's led.
2. Old GNR was one of the greatest bands of all time. But if he doesn't want to reunite he shouldn't have to. But I think it's keeping this feud alive and holding onto such anger that's actually inhibiting moving forward at this point. That is - the whole RRHOF now has become about Axl vs Slash, as is the fanbase or whatever. And it distracts from what should be important - the music.
Slash is about to release a new album, which for those who enjoy his style, will doubtlessly be another gem in their collections. Axl and DJ have amazing potential to write great songs together - I'm sure their works would be really interesting, modern yet classic.
But it seems these things either get ignored in the case of the former, or postponed in the case of the latter, and all we're stuck with is 20 years of hatred and angst.
As i said in another thread, I'd love it if they could just shake hands, agree that each other are great - but that they're "done" with each other creatively. Then the hall could have been Slash doing a single with Myles, Axl doing a CD song with the new band, and everyone doing PC to say goodnight.
We'd go off happy about the past, but we could all move onto creating more great art before we die.
But I guess life doesn't owe me that happy ending.
Re: On Truth, The Man Who Wasn't There and Happy Endings
NO, AXL ROSE doesn't owe you that happy ending, because of course everything is about Axl right? What's important to him, right?
Well just as he's entitled to NOT want to be with Slash, we're entitled to call him a fucking scab, pussy, and asshole for it.
He's not entitled to our love.
With that said... I agree with EVERYTHING Apex said. Fantastic post.
- Smoking Guns
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Re: On Truth, The Man Who Wasn't There and Happy Endings
What is hilarious is Axl has the name to one of the biggest bands ever and has managed to do nothing with it. Duff, Izzy, Adler, Slash don't have the GNR brand name, but forged ahead with new bands and solo stuff. Axl had the easiest path, and does the least!
- Smoking Guns
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Re: On Truth, The Man Who Wasn't There and Happy Endings
He should have gone the Ozzy route to take the pressure off him since he would site that as to why it is harder to have the GNR name which it total bullshit.
Re: On Truth, The Man Who Wasn't There and Happy Endings
What is hilarious is Axl has the name to one of the biggest bands ever and has managed to do nothing with it. Duff, Izzy, Adler, Slash don't have the GNR brand name, but forged ahead with new bands and solo stuff. Axl had the easiest path, and does the least!
I wouldn't say Adler has forged ahead. In some ways Adler is just as bad as Axl about living in the past, plus he had the hardest time getting clean.
Only now has Adler started to actually move forward, and even still he's relying on others to do the work, and just throwing his namesake in their for branding.
So in that case, I would say Axl is actually above Adler.
But yeah, the rest have totally whipped Axl's ass on productivity.
Even the hired hands have done more. Matt had VR and another stint with The Cult, and Gilby has done a slew of solo gigs and albums.
- Smoking Guns
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Re: On Truth, The Man Who Wasn't There and Happy Endings
Why did he fight so hard for a name of a band that he doesn't do shit with, other than the money of course. I guess he has a big plan that he is still trying to get around to. lol.
Slash, Adler, Duff, Gilby, and Myles could come out with a new album faster than Axl and current GNR could. And it would probably be pretty fucking good. Especially if Izzy came on board.
- tejastech08
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Re: On Truth, The Man Who Wasn't There and Happy Endings
In a way though, he prevented them from firing him and putting in a hack singer as his replacement. Very rarely is a replacement singer worthy of filling his predecessor's shoes. Brian Johnson and Ronnie James Dio come to mind. In the case of Dio, he was actually a better singer than Ozzy. What the fuck were the odds of GN'R finding a better singer than Axl? Not good. Johnson turned out to be a damn good songwriter. What the fuck were the odds of GN'R finding a singer with Axl's vocal talent AND songwriting talent? Not good at all. Pretty much zero as a matter of fact.
