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- elevendayempire
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Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
What I don't understand is... why can't they just get together with some acoustics, bash out some songs in a room and record/release the resulting jams? It worked for GN'R Lies...
- killingvector
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killingvector wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:KV, give it up bro... This was bigger than Axl, he is a little bitch for making this about him and not the fans.
No, bro.
It really isn't.
The induction is just being blown out of proportion.
Even Duff doesn't think the award was a big deal.
No it's not really a big deal. It seriously isn't.
But fans thinks it is, that's the whole point.
That's why Duff is going.
Axl has his own principles and being on stage with people he does not like and only need him for a pay day is not what he wants to do.
More power to him.
I'm still pissed at Slash's arrogance. The Blues Baller has mellowed but not apologized for more than a decade of twat behavior.
- killingvector
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Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
Axlin12 wrote:AtariLegend wrote:Still not one post in this thread explains why the Hall Of Fame is so important. None of the classic line up seemed to care that much when interviewed pre nomination except Adler.
Going about Slash's interpetation that the Revolver Golden Gods is the great Amercian event. Anyone that thinks that the Hall Of Fame is anything more than PR event... well.
Even if Axl wasn't a nutter, what motivation is there to sit there for a few hours with 2 people he very much dislikes and in all honestly probably dislike him just as to give them an extra headline in the Entertainment news next week.
His letter was a bad choice as usual, but I'm more embarrassed by the fans in this thread. Most of us are disgruntled, but some of you people are alot more delusional than he is, if you believe the shit you come off with.
Symbolic
Is about the only word that comes to mind. I didn't lose sleep over the HOF, but I did hope that a mini-reunion (one night only) might've happened, just to appease the fans.
I think the symbolism of the word "Hall of Fame" means the crowning achievement for a rock musician, but the reality is Duff is right too, and I agree. "How can art be put in a Hall of Fame?" Rock HOF is about as legit as the WWE Hall of Fame. But at the same time -- it's symbolic.
Personally if I was a rockstar, I wouldn't want to be apart of it, and Cleveland and Wenner can suck my ass.
BUT the fans seem to be crazy about it, and it means something to them. So the motivation is simply to show solidarity and a respect to your fans worldwide, past, present & future.
Axl didn't do that. And ultimately THAT is how history will write this moment. Whether I agree with it, you do, or don't or whatever... history will write the moment as such.
Amen bro, spot on.
I don't understand.
If that is the price he must pay to gain respect of the fans, then Axl will never have the respect of the fans. He doesn't want anything to do with these people (save Izzy, Dizzy, and Duff) at this point in his life.
Respect the man's feelings on this issue as any of us would respect yours.
For me, I would never take the stage with Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck under any circumstances. Even if it pleased some group of people. Everyone has their principles.
Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
Axl has gone from Bon Scott era badass to total little bitch. I cannot even comprehend how big that vagina is between Axl's legs. Gutless. Even DJ called him out two weeks ago. I guess Axl lost his "wwjd" (what would Jesus do) bracelet, that would have reminded him to be the bigger man, shut the fuck up, and for once do something for other than W.A.R...
I'm sorry, but do you not see the irony in calling someone "gutless" while saying he has a "vagina between" his legs from the safety of your computer? 
Ali
Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
killingvector wrote:Aussie wrote:Well my take on the whole thing....
First thoughts are he is a very bitter old man that doesn't appear to have grown one ounce over the last 20 odd years. Rather he seems to have gotten worse, he is even more bitter and nasty now if that's possible. Not that I needed this HOF statement to confirm that.
As Monkey said, it seems the fact that he can't control this whole thing is definitely an element in his decision not to be there. Sounds like he has tried to negotiate with them over who is going, or who gets to play or maybe even who gets inducted.
If he has to stand on stage with individuals who have sued him multiple times for his livelihood, badmouthed him in the press, and outwardly lied about past events in an effort to smear him, then, yes, he should be willing to walk away from a situation where he could be embarrassed or forced to do something he is uncomfortable.
I thought this comment was interesting:
the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.
Maybe it was a big shock for him to come up against someone that actually said "NO" to him for a change. Must be a slap in the face to find out that not everybody bows down at the Rose Altar. Although just because someone didn't agree with him or bend over to accomodate him it doesn't automatically mean he's not wanted or respected. But then again when those people you sourround yourself with for years don't have the word "No" in their vocabulary when you want something, it must come as quite a shock when confronted with it.
You have a very distorted view of Axl Rose. He isn't under any obligation to attend, especially considering there are people on stage who have sued him for millions of dollars, accused him of fraud, theft, and even attempted to seize control of the band in court.
I also find these two statement contradictary:
had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame,......Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out.
If you haven't made any requests or demands then what is there to "work out". If you are after an "amicable solution", this implies a solution that is acceptable to both parties. Therefore it must involve some type of requests or demands from both sides. So which is it?
Axl's camp was in negotiations with the HOF, but never demanded that a set of conditions be met for his attendance. We don't know if he submitted an official request, but may have inquired about the induction, speeches, performances, dressing rooms; he may not have been comfortable with the arrangements and asked if there were any alternatives.
Finally, to refuse to accept his induction altogether is unforgiveable. That to me is another chance for him to indirectly control/influence the other old guys by basically shitting on their parade. By all means don't go for whatever petty reasons but seriously, don't fucken refuse the award. Yes it's his right, but fuck me have some level of graciousness and consideration for others for just once in your life.
Why exactly? A lot of people don't believe the RRHOF really stands for anything substantial. A lot of great bands/artists aren't in the Hall. In fact, the criteria for induction is so nebulous, no one really knows what it is.
So yeah. If Axl felt that he didnt want to be associated, then that is his right. Other bands have done exactly what he has.
For the last time, this is not about the hall. It's about Slash and maybe Steven.
I really don't get why people think this is NOT about the hall. I mean did you completely ignore this: "the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected."
How can you read that and say that he's not upset with the HOF?
Ali
- killingvector
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Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
The Hall is definitely a component at play. Duff even recognized that the award was a sham.
Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
I really don't get why people think this is NOT about the hall. I mean did you completely ignore this: "the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected."
How can you read that and say that he's not upset with the HOF?
Ali
Dude, don't play the ignorant or technicality card on this one...it isn't going to fly.
He's upset with the HoF because they said no to him on things having to do with their induction. Not because they are the HoF; not because of something the HoF said or did publicly; not because they were inducting him. They told him no.
To Axl, saying no to his demands is the same as indicating he's not wanted or being disrespected. I guess the good news for Axl is he's now getting exactly what he complained about, but he's getting it from his fans in addition to the fans of the old band. DJ posted the letter on facebook and 75% of the comments were blasting Axl. Those weren't coming from fans of the old band.
Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
Well if this ain't the shocker of the century.
Maybe Axl isn't so crazy after all with all his spiritual/psychic crap. He did call it like 20 years ago, didn't he? "Once there was this rock n roll band rollin on the streets. Time went by and it became a joke."
Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
Ali wrote:I really don't get why people think this is NOT about the hall. I mean did you completely ignore this: "the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected."
How can you read that and say that he's not upset with the HOF?
Ali
Dude, don't play the ignorant or technicality card on this one...it isn't going to fly.
He's upset with the HoF because they said no to him on things having to do with their induction. Not because they are the HoF; not because of something the HoF said or did publicly; not because they were inducting him. They told him no.
To Axl, saying no to his demands is the same as indicating he's not wanted or being disrespected. I guess the good news for Axl is he's now getting exactly what he complained about, but he's getting it from his fans in addition to the fans of the old band. DJ posted the letter on facebook and 75% of the comments were blasting Axl. Those weren't coming from fans of the old band.
When did I say he's upset with HOF for being the HOF?
He's upset with them, clearly. It sounds like because they would not compromise with him on certain things in order to make the situation less "awkward" (as he alluded to in the beginning).
Regardless, he's upset with the HOF, or more precisely, the people involved with the induction ceremony. So, it is about the HOF and the induction ceremony.
Ali
Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
Well if this ain't the shocker of the century.
Maybe Axl isn't so crazy after all with all his spiritual/psychic crap. He did call it like 20 years ago, didn't he? "Once there was this rock n roll band rollin on the streets. Time went by and it became a joke."
I think that was Izzy, maybe I'm wrong.
