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Re: Axl Rose - Criminally underrated lyricist.
U criminally under rate Kurt. may be overrated but that doesn't take away the fact he was brilliant.
I am best at what i do worst...
He has some PROFOUND shit..
now some shit is just yeah whatever.. but his shit is very very deep at times.
Axl is an honest straightforward writer but most songs he kinda tells u exactly whats what... he has nothing cryptic or open for interpretation i guess is what i mean.
He has some amazing lyrics but is a different type of writer.
Axl isn't always a "Poet" type lyricist in the vein of Dylan
not sayin one is better than the other etc but Kurt had that poet/cryptic quality.
Its funny, but i think Kurt blowing his head off at first overrated him but now its 180 and now he is almost underrated.
Re: Axl Rose - Criminally underrated lyricist.
Got to agree with D here.
Some of Cobain's lyrics seriously make stop and say, "Wow."
It's so simplistic, but says so much. That's why I call him a brilliant lyricist. He doesn't have to be Jim Morrison, the poet. (I love Morrison too 
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Again, D makes a terrific point about Dylan; totally different than both Axl and Cobain, but they're all fantastic writers, just different styles IMHO.
Dylan is THE best songwriter I have ever heard. Supernaturally talented. If you can catch the documentary where he's word playing, it'll make your jaw drop.
Re: Axl Rose - Criminally underrated lyricist.
Completely agree with the assessment.
What I think is a shame is that Axl is not compared to his contemporaries at the time, like Eddie Vedder. I think Axl is THAT good.
Vedder may be a decent lyricist, but he doesn't hold a candle to Axls melodic ability. Jagger and Plant would be the more appropriate comparison.
Sometimes I think if he laid off the boxer shorts he'd be getting the proper recognition.
Re: Axl Rose - Criminally underrated lyricist.
Axl is an honest straightforward writer but most songs he kinda tells u exactly whats what... he has nothing cryptic or open for interpretation i guess is what i mean.
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You tripping again man. I agree he's not Velvet Underground, but stuff like Coma, Estranged and Breakdown are far from straight forward.
Re: Axl Rose - Criminally underrated lyricist.
polluxlm wrote:Axl is not like RATM or John Lennon. He doesn't sing about big issues, he's all about the personal approach cause that's all he knows, and you ask me he's damn apt at it too.
not sure i agree w/this.
well, he's not like RATM in sofar as he's not shit, but what's Civil War or Chinese Democracy?i do know where you're coming from. he's probably at his best on stuff like SCoM with it's personal but universal reach. but he doesn't shy away from social comment either - "organised religion makes a mockery of humanity etc"
Yeah, he's dabbled a bit, but tbh those are ventures where his lack of a intellectual education glares through. Civil War reminds me of a child crying "why can't we all get along" because he doesn't know any better. I'm glad he kept away from all of that after 9/11.
Re: Axl Rose - Criminally underrated lyricist.
tbh there aren't many great american rock lyricists & i'd say axl is actually comfortably one of them. its one respect where his smaller catalogue serves him well.
(& in the interests of fairness i should note, tho i shouldn't really have to - just given the volatile emotions of certain boardmembers - i believe the AFD/UYI era band overall is comfortably one of the greatest american bands.) ahem.
Agreed in terms of American Lyricists there's Axl Rose, Dylan, Petty, Fogerty and that's all she wrote.
Re: Axl Rose - Criminally underrated lyricist.
johndivney wrote:polluxlm wrote:Axl is not like RATM or John Lennon. He doesn't sing about big issues, he's all about the personal approach cause that's all he knows, and you ask me he's damn apt at it too.
not sure i agree w/this.
well, he's not like RATM in sofar as he's not shit, but what's Civil War or Chinese Democracy?i do know where you're coming from. he's probably at his best on stuff like SCoM with it's personal but universal reach. but he doesn't shy away from social comment either - "organised religion makes a mockery of humanity etc"
Yeah, he's dabbled a bit, but tbh those are ventures where his lack of a intellectual education glares through. Civil War reminds me of a child crying "why can't we all get along" because he doesn't know any better. I'm glad he kept away from all of that after 9/11.
No offense bro, but if by education you mean "retarded conspiracy theories" then my boy don't need none of yo' crazy school. That's a bag of bollox all of that stuff, blaming invisible puppet-masters rather than taking responsibility of yo life. Grow up.
Re: Axl Rose - Criminally underrated lyricist.
Now if Chinese Democracy is a GIANT METAPHOR to what he went through in the old band.. I will stand corrected and that would be an amazing all time metaphor
sadly, i think he is really talking about China getting democracy.
An Example I always love lyrically is Scott Weiland on Loving The Alien:
His "sometimes.. is all the time.. and never ... means maybe"
that gives me chills thinking of the possible subject matter he is speaking of.
if its doing heroin again... repeat that line... really makes u think
do u think about it? sometimes...all the time... will u ever do it again? Oh never.....*really maybe*
Axl is great.. his style is amazing.. I'm not dissing it once again but his songs don't make u sit and think too hard about it. This I Love for instance.. very straightforward simple lyric. but everything is pretty explanatory.. I wouldn't sit around with friends and analyze various meanings of his songs.
once again, doesn't make him any less a writer just different.
Cobain's I miss the comfort of being sad, beat me out of me.... stuff like that on top of the fact he killed himself just WOW... Watch Come As You Are on MTV Unplugged and its chilling when he sings "I swear that I don't have a gun"
Throw down your umbilical noose so i can climb right back...
Re: Axl Rose - Criminally underrated lyricist.
i like him & his band (& used to love them), but eddie isn't fit to sharpen axl's pencil/wet his quill/dip is ink/any-other-strained-double-entendre
axl was in a league of his own compared to his contemporaries. especially evident on AFD/UYI. he rubbed shoulders w/Lennon/Jagger 65-72 & got w/in touching distance of Dylan.
tbh there aren't many great american rock lyricists & i'd say axl is actually comfortably one of them. its one respect where his smaller catalogue serves him well.
(& in the interests of fairness i should note, tho i shouldn't really have to - just given the volatile emotions of certain boardmembers - i believe the AFD/UYI era band overall is comfortably one of the greatest american bands.) ahem.-D- wrote:Axl is a pretty straightforward literal lyricist most of the time
he doesn't seem to get too much into metaphor etc.
Can't think of too many super profound deep Axl lyrics in all honesty...
thoughts?
dunno if i agree w/this either. Madagascar itself is a metaphor & he has moments & songs of profundity - chief obv being Estranged but also even the likes of Jungle/OIAM/OTGM/Michelle which are more literal (tho again Jungle being the metaphor...) but still have this way of disseminating imagery to create a wider, instant portrait of the world which he's singing. he has this ability to conjure the mood, background & setting of the society he's singing about which gives the seemingly immediate lyrics more weight. what i mean is like on OTGM it's like you're on the run from the pigs w/him or you can see the movie of Michelle playing in your head. [/waffle]
& i mean it's not a talent unique to Axl, i just think he was a whole lot more consistent, & honest, & interesting, that most rock lyricists.
I don't know man... Vedder has some DEEP shit. Jeremy is mindblowing and that part on "Alive"
Is something wrong
she said,Well of course there is
Youre still alive, she said
Oh,and do i deserve to be
Is that the question
and if so... if so... who answers? who answers?
Shit gives me chills just reading it
Re: Axl Rose - Criminally underrated lyricist.
some times i think people like kobain get too much brain envy for being constantly out of it and writing material accordingly. what seems deep and puzzling to fans often times meant far less in the mind of the creator when he created it.
no disrespect to kurt or all of his material.
