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Re: So.... What's Next?
Well, when someone doesn't go on stage until he gets his beef, it's not far-fetched to think he'd cause a riot without getting the name.
BTW what would have happened if Slash or Duff had died? The wives, Renee and Linda would have become Guns N' Roses? Please.
I know that Duff, for whatever reasons, became an Axl-apologist (long way from the law suits he wanted to start and the 'Axl didn't write anything..ooops, I really like My World' comment), but first of all, nobody would sign away those rights without a penny, second, if they were so drugged-up that didn't know what they sign (what some forum members suggest sometimes), then it wasn't a friendly move by the Axl camp, not to mention that it would not have been lawful.
Anyway, Axl showed who he is, when he left Guns N' Roses and started a new band with the same name, inviting his ex-partners to be his employees. This was the dirtiest move in the history of GN'R, and possibly in the entire history of rock music.
If Duff is lucid enough to recount the events of that day, then clearly he was not drugged-up enough to not know what he was doing.
The issue is not whether or not Duff and Slash were justified in thinking that Axl wouldn't go on stage. The issue is whether or not Axl made the threat that he wouldn't if he didn't get the contract signed. Even Duff is not saying that happened.
Ali
Re: So.... What's Next?
"BTW what would have happened if Slash or Duff had died? The wives, Renee and Linda would have become Guns N' Roses? Please."
What the fuck? You must understand little about business. The wives each would have owned 1/3 of the business and all decisions would have to run through them. Axl would have to directly deal with them on everything because the three way recording agreement was made in 1992.
Axl did not want to deal with the family members. Just like Grohl now has to deal with Courtney Love on everything related to Nirvana. You see what a mess that can become?
Re: So.... What's Next?
"BTW what would have happened if Slash or Duff had died? The wives, Renee and Linda would have become Guns N' Roses? Please."
What the fuck? You must understand little about business. The wives each would have owned 1/3 of the business and all decisions would have to run through them. Axl would have to directly deal with them on everything because the three way recording agreement was made in 1992.
Axl did not want to deal with the family members. Just like Grohl now has to deal with Courtney Love on everything related to Nirvana. You see what a mess that can become?
That would have been a mess for EVERYONE that made money off GN'R - promoters, managers, etc. No one would have benefited from that.
Ali
- Mikkamakka
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Re: So.... What's Next?
Mikkamakka wrote:Well, when someone doesn't go on stage until he gets his beef, it's not far-fetched to think he'd cause a riot without getting the name.
BTW what would have happened if Slash or Duff had died? The wives, Renee and Linda would have become Guns N' Roses? Please.
I know that Duff, for whatever reasons, became an Axl-apologist (long way from the law suits he wanted to start and the 'Axl didn't write anything..ooops, I really like My World' comment), but first of all, nobody would sign away those rights without a penny, second, if they were so drugged-up that didn't know what they sign (what some forum members suggest sometimes), then it wasn't a friendly move by the Axl camp, not to mention that it would not have been lawful.
Anyway, Axl showed who he is, when he left Guns N' Roses and started a new band with the same name, inviting his ex-partners to be his employees. This was the dirtiest move in the history of GN'R, and possibly in the entire history of rock music.
If Duff is lucid enough to recount the events of that day, then clearly he was not drugged-up enough to not know what he was doing.
The issue is not whether or not Duff and Slash were justified in thinking that Axl wouldn't go on stage. The issue is whether or not Axl made the threat that he wouldn't if he didn't get the contract signed. Even Duff is not saying that happened.
Ali
I don't think that Axl told them that personally, cause they didn't even meet, except the shows. Axl lived in his own eccentric world, and communicated with the others through his Douggie puppet. Doug's word was Axl's word, he was the Axl spokeperson. Axl can play the saint as long as he wants to, but anyone with at least half a brain can tell that his story stinks. Maybe, let's say maybe, he only asked Doug to 'secure the name', and it was Doug's idea, not shared with Axl, to blackmail the other 2 guys. Maybe, maybe. But Axl, who is quite intelligent, should have been fuckin' suspicious when Douggie came back with the name to him. Without paying a cent to the losers. But Axl wanted the name and din't care how he got that.
On the other hand, with starting the alternate band he clearly showed his true intentions. He wanted nothing, but to rule the band. For any price. Even more, if it's for the others' expense. He cannot toleralate other people's opinion, if that is conflicting with his. He did a hissy fit when the employees were sick of waiting for him for nights and nights, when they didn't want his childhood bedroom guitarist friend in the world's biggest rock band, when producers or the label didn't like enough his stuff, when promoters didn't accept him being 4 hour late, when managers tried to make him do something other than GTA.
It's my way or the highway in Axl land. Obviously, Izzy, Slash, Duff, Steven, Bucket, Robin, Brain etc. had enough and left. Everyone, with an ounce of self-respect will do it, sooner or later, and only puppets and hangers-on remain. Like it always happens with this kind of people.
- Mikkamakka
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Re: So.... What's Next?
"BTW what would have happened if Slash or Duff had died? The wives, Renee and Linda would have become Guns N' Roses? Please."
What the fuck? You must understand little about business. The wives each would have owned 1/3 of the business and all decisions would have to run through them. Axl would have to directly deal with them on everything because the three way recording agreement was made in 1992.
Axl did not want to deal with the family members. Just like Grohl now has to deal with Courtney Love on everything related to Nirvana. You see what a mess that can become?
In that case, it could have been another paper. But it wasn't. Figure out, why not. Two words may help you: Axl and greed. 
Re: So.... What's Next?
wow some people are still really bitter about that shit. fucking hell.
He's obviously an emotional guy and I think if things derail him the day of the show then he just can't do it.
So i actually think there is a good reason, but I think it's something that slash doesnt understand because their personality types are too different.
i know where you're coming from mate, & i understand. but in the grand scheme of things, axl's fragility is not a good reason.
why? because it's fixable & hasn't been fixed.
& because the situation has been part of his performance from the get-go to present day.
there is no good reason why things should upset axl on such a monumental scale when other people under similar stress can function.
this is quite simplistic, but why can't axl start his day an hour earlier which means he can get done whatever the fuck he needs to get done & then be "on time"??
- Me_Wise_Magic
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Re: So.... What's Next?
From what I've been reading over the past few months, it seems that Axl knows that the fans want to see him and the rest of the Appetite lineup with Matt and Dizzy. So I'm sure he'll make somewhat of an appearance by just accepting the award or maybe even joining in a song or two with some of the alumni. The RRHOF isn't that big of a deal with most music fans. He knows that people have wanted this to happen for years and it's either this or having another manager trying to screw him over to do a reunion tour he doesn't want to do. If it happens, it happens! The new band members have given the blessing and they are excited for it as much as the fans are. I personally think they should just go in there, have a laugh, reminisce, and move on! End the speculations and go out with a smile (high note). If they want to perform, it will happen if everyone feels comfortable with it. If Axl & Slash could just talk and shake hands, that would be just fine with me. I'm looking forward to the current lineup recording new music not a reunion record personally. As for any of the band members showing up besides Axl, I agree that Izzy is going to be the wild card when it comes to the day.
Re: So.... What's Next?
Ali wrote:Mikkamakka wrote:Well, when someone doesn't go on stage until he gets his beef, it's not far-fetched to think he'd cause a riot without getting the name.
BTW what would have happened if Slash or Duff had died? The wives, Renee and Linda would have become Guns N' Roses? Please.
I know that Duff, for whatever reasons, became an Axl-apologist (long way from the law suits he wanted to start and the 'Axl didn't write anything..ooops, I really like My World' comment), but first of all, nobody would sign away those rights without a penny, second, if they were so drugged-up that didn't know what they sign (what some forum members suggest sometimes), then it wasn't a friendly move by the Axl camp, not to mention that it would not have been lawful.
Anyway, Axl showed who he is, when he left Guns N' Roses and started a new band with the same name, inviting his ex-partners to be his employees. This was the dirtiest move in the history of GN'R, and possibly in the entire history of rock music.
If Duff is lucid enough to recount the events of that day, then clearly he was not drugged-up enough to not know what he was doing.
The issue is not whether or not Duff and Slash were justified in thinking that Axl wouldn't go on stage. The issue is whether or not Axl made the threat that he wouldn't if he didn't get the contract signed. Even Duff is not saying that happened.
Ali
I don't think that Axl told them that personally, cause they didn't even meet, except the shows. Axl lived in his own eccentric world, and communicated with the others through his Douggie puppet. Doug's word was Axl's word, he was the Axl spokeperson. Axl can play the saint as long as he wants to, but anyone with at least half a brain can tell that his story stinks. Maybe, let's say maybe, he only asked Doug to 'secure the name', and it was Doug's idea, not shared with Axl, to blackmail the other 2 guys. Maybe, maybe. But Axl, who is quite intelligent, should have been fuckin' suspicious when Douggie came back with the name to him. Without paying a cent to the losers. But Axl wanted the name and din't care how he got that.
On the other hand, with starting the alternate band he clearly showed his true intentions. He wanted nothing, but to rule the band. For any price. Even more, if it's for the others' expense. He cannot toleralate other people's opinion, if that is conflicting with his. He did a hissy fit when the employees were sick of waiting for him for nights and nights, when they didn't want his childhood bedroom guitarist friend in the world's biggest rock band, when producers or the label didn't like enough his stuff, when promoters didn't accept him being 4 hour late, when managers tried to make him do something other than GTA.
It's my way or the highway in Axl land. Obviously, Izzy, Slash, Duff, Steven, Bucket, Robin, Brain etc. had enough and left. Everyone, with an ounce of self-respect will do it, sooner or later, and only puppets and hangers-on remain. Like it always happens with this kind of people.
Whatever. The bottom line is this: Not even Duff is saying that Axl blackmailed him and Slash into signing over the name.
Ali
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Re: So.... What's Next?
The way I see it, everyone did what they had to do to stay afloat.
Slash was a junkie and needed to be on tour to save himself from himself.
Axl was going through a dark time and struggling to cope with his emotional load and the demands of the tour.
Management was trying to push a collection of druggies and a moody wildcard into a unit that can continue to make them more money.
So everyone has an interest.
My issue is - if it related to succession law only - then papers could have been drawn up that only gave Axl full control once Slash and Duff passed away. But that's not what the deal said.
Meanwhile - considering Axl is the member of the group most likely to tell the record label to go fuck themselves, or to start some kind of incident at a show - I'm not sure I'm buying that management independently thought it would be a great idea to give him sole control.
I'm not saying Axl directly threatened anything. But it's obvious to me that he's a smart guy, who has powerful emotions that he puts into his music, but that sometimes those same thoughts fuck him up to a point where trouble happens (lateness, riots, anger). This makes him at risk. If the band had fired Axl what would he have done. He needed to put himself in a safe place. So I think it was his idea that management draw up papers that gives him control of the brand.
I don't believe he directly threatened not to tour if it didn't happen to Slash or Duff. But I also don't think he needed to. His reputation alone would have covered that. They've been on the road with him for years - they know he's wild. Think in Slash's book when he says to Matt not to fight Axl even though he knows matt can handle himself - he says something like "you don't want to push Axl when he's back against a wall". Axl didn't need to say it explicitly.
