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Re: LA Times Interview With Axl
The ASCAP isn't really an indication of who structured the song or had a vision or any anything song writting wise imo.
It's whoever played on the version that was released, minus Matt. Not because of Adler playing those songs earlier, but because Matt was a hired musican to them back there. It was a way to to keep more money for others, unless there's a way around it.
Does anyone believe Adler was an important part of the song writting for SCOM, I'm not refering to sound.
Absolutely
When the drums kick in. The groove is all Adler and that makes that song Special.
his drums on Appetite are hooky pretty much sing a longable and awesome Air Drum stuff.
CD drumming sounds like a soul less drum machine for the most part, outside YCBM drumming on UYI is pretty standard stuff
Appetite drumming is special. Paradise City? Rocket Queen anybody? Plus listen to the swing during SCOM when the drums kick in. Helped make GNR's unique sound.
Re: LA Times Interview With Axl
Thinking about this whole thing I don't give a fuck who is doing what in the background as long as stuff gets done. I want new music from Axl and whoever thats with i dont care at this point. Judging by his discography Axl has largely wasted his talent looking at the relatively small body of work he has put out. I know quality not quantity is the key, but still.
That said what professional organizations are going to want to deal with what appear to be an amateur management group. I wouldn't want to risk my capital. Hopefully this doesn't make for things becoming even more difficult to get done.
Although I simply cannot fathom what is so difficult and causes so many problems? Axl oftens references to all the hurdles and behind the scenes problems on the rare occasion he speaks. Really, what is so unique about Gnr and their situation, every other band seems to be able to deal with things, it honestly can't be that hard. I would love to know what the obstacles are?
On a separate note wasnt Beta involved In the Guitar Hero negotiations? That appeared to work out well for them and go as planned. 
Re: LA Times Interview With Axl
in terms of the large production...i think that Axl jsut enjoys having all the bells and whistles and feels it brings his audience a better experience? oin that sense a theatre tour isnt really suited to what axl wants...he also mentions not liking the acoustics in a smaller LA venue as opposed to the Forum
he mentioned specific venues. Typically acoustics are not better in an arena than in a small venue. Theatre venues are often designed with acoustics in mind whereas arenas are designed with sporting events in mind. This is just an excuse on Axl's part really.
Re: LA Times Interview With Axl
Thinking about this whole thing I don't give a fuck who is doing what in the background as long as stuff gets done. I want new music from Axl and whoever thats with i dont care at this point. Judging by his discography Axl has largely wasted his talent looking at the relatively small body of work he has put out. I know quality not quantity is the key, but still.
That said what professional organizations are going to want to deal with what appear to be an amateur management group. I wouldn't want to risk my capital. Hopefully this doesn't make for things becoming even more difficult to get done.
Although I simply cannot fathom what is so difficult and causes so many problems? Axl oftens references to all the hurdles and behind the scenes problems on the rare occasion he speaks. Really, what is so unique about Gnr and their situation, every other band seems to be able to deal with things, it honestly can't be that hard. I would love to know what the obstacles are?
On a separate note wasnt Beta involved In the Guitar Hero negotiations? That appeared to work out well for them and go as planned.
Axl is what's so difficult. That and/or the people he surrounds himself with. It's obvious because over the last 15 years it's always all been so difficult and things other bands do with ease Gn'R can't even get out of the starting blocks. The one constant in all of this is Axl fucking Rose. That is what's so difficult. It ahs to be because they've been throgh so many managers, so much BS and it's always the other guys fault and it's always someone else who's out to scam him(his words) and yet he's always the one constant.
Re: LA Times Interview With Axl
I just want to say that live or in-studio (definitely) a Guns N' Roses that was composed of...
Axl Rose
Slash
Richard Fortus (now lead)
Tommy Stinson (now rhythm guitar) [w/ special guest appearences by Izzy]
Duff McKagan
Frank Ferrer [w/ special guest appearences by Steven]
Dizzy Reed
Chris Pitman
Re: LA Times Interview With Axl
He mentioned specifically the Paladium, and I can believe that. It's sort of oldie. Don't think the acoustics would be good for a loud rockshow.
I think GNR is like sausage. Sausage is great, as long as you don't watch it being made. So keep enjoying the sausage and step away from the sausage factory.
Okay, liner notes, ASCAP, etc. etc. etc...
ASCAP is about getting paid. Liner notes are public credits.
Example: Everyone was given writing credit on AFD. Those sort of publishing royalties for song writers are where "real" money is at as far as royalties. Performance royalties are shit compared to publishing. Having the band all equally represented on AFD set everyone up for a nice stream of income in the future. For UYI, I believe they had a system of coming up with 'how much' of a song they wrote. The shares were then administered by ASCAP. They're listed, but not the %s. It could be 10%, 10%, 80% on a song that has Duff, Slash, Axl. Or 40%, 40% 20%.
You can't read too much into either the album credits or the ASCAP paperwork that we have privy to. They're doing different things.
Re: LA Times Interview With Axl
Axlin08 wrote:Olorin wrote:So the Lebeis clan have full control, dont think I give a shit bout that either. All the other managers combined have only managed to get one album out of Axl since 93, even that was a miracle, it aint like they have big shoes to fill. Plus I dont have any hopes of a new album or this line up being creative and original, nor do I care much about a reunion of the real GNR, so this all new Lebeis era of GNR cant possibly disapoint me
I think you completely missed the point that Beta started working on Axl's head back in 1993.
Notice how fucked up GN'R has been since that year?
The industry fucking hates them (yes, 'tis true), and I don't see ANYONE being willing to work with them and an average-profitable new lineup GN'R. Industry types are not gonna bust their ass to break even financially, AND have to deal with that unprofessional headache.
As for your "hopes", that statement is just bizarre as to why you're even here, and even bother as a GN'R fan, unless you just dig seeing them live and nothing else.
You have no hopes at a new album
You have no interest in a reunionSo remind me why you're a Guns N' Roses fan in the present?
Yeah its all Beta's fault
But anyway, I'm a Guns N'Roses fan cause I grew up with Guns N'Roses, they're my favourite band. Thats not gonna change, their music is immortal, and I'll always be interested in what Axls up to as a performer, so I'll check in to the forums.
But I'm done with this sideshow go nowhere saga, and all the he said she said bullshit played out on the internet, its ridiculous. I'm worn out, burnt out and dont fucking care. This GNR could never release an original note and I wont care cause all expectations and hope have been eroded away and nothing can disapoint me now.And a reunion doesnt interest me in the way it does others, I have never felt any great urge to fantasise about it and I feel more like they would never recapture the magic they had 20 years ago when they were in their prime, so why bother?
It doesnt mean I wouldnt like it if it happened, nor that I wouldnt like a new album from the new line up. I just think they are futile hopes and feel apathetic about the whole thing in its current state of affairs.
I see your point a bit better now.
And yes, blaming Beta for it all was not really my point. Ultimately it's all Axl's fault. Beta is a product of Axl's own personality.
But still, she enhances the problem, not reduces it.
No way in hell Axl and Beta can strike a deal with Uni on another record. You kidding me?
I did a spit take when I read this.
Pretty much my reaction too.
Seeing the way Beta has conducted herself on the forums, I don't have much confidence that she gets anything accomplished dealing with the label. Especially when she starts calling them idiots.
Or being smarmy or sarcastic with exec's, which pretty much she & Fernando already do on a regular basis.
They've got phone cajones.
Some of these execs could make one phone call and they'd be in a full body cast by 5pm.
They really have way too much swagger.
But I think ultimately you have to blame Axl for that, and frankly I don't blame Axl for his take on the industry. He is so cynical about the industry and sees them as blood suckers, that the Lebeis' are even more hateful and protective over him because.
Axl in a way is not the one with shit-colored glasses on, he's taught them all of the nasty things of the business.
The Lebeis' have been taught to hate the industry, because of Axl and very passionate view of them.
And I agree with him. I see them all as a bunch of blood sucking, children stealing, capitalist pigs.
Jimmy Iovine vs Beta....C'MON MAN!!!!!!!!
Beta handed Iovine his ass frankly.
Though it depends on how you look at it.
GN'R got their way, and were babied the way Beta wanted it.
Yet Iovine got what he wanted and just telling "CD fuck off" and clearing the debts.
But ultimately neither of them got what they wanted because they stabbed each other at the same time. Nobody made any money on it, and the relationship crumbled.
Without some sort of reunion, TRUST ME, nobody at Uni is gonna deal with a new Guns record with Beta/Fernando representing Axl. Axl is either gonna have to throw Slash & Duff into the studio/band and sell it Uni, or Axl's gonna have to beg, kick, scratch, claw Iovine to get Uni to release GN'R from their contract so they can go independent.
And that's NOT gonna happen.
Iovine will NOT deal with the Lebeis a second time. You can write that down. Axl might be forced to have to reunite on some level in order to keep GN'R alive in the industry.
