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- monkeychow
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Re: Duff/Axl vs. Slash/Matt/Gilby 1994 Album
50/50. Rockers and ballads. Even that was too much to Slash. I think he was of the opinion that rock albums should only have 1-2 ballads, ala AFD.
Yeah...the interesting thing is...to date Axl has released 1 album...with 8 ballads on it...while slash has released 5 albums which were all mostly rockers...
Does make me think the way to go forward as old GNR would have been to develop the snakepit/vr riffs as GNR tracks...and every album add one or two tracks from Axl - "A Catcher in the Rye" or a "This I love" as they became availiable.
- monkeychow
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Re: Duff/Axl vs. Slash/Matt/Gilby 1994 Album
Lets see what Slash and Myles come up with.
I think it will be slash's best work post GNR by far. His live playing is better than ever chops wise...and now he finally has a singer with some vocal chops again too.
Question for me though will be can myles do agressive rock. Alterbridge is pretty heavy - but I dunno I think i'll miss the anger of Axl.
For example Nighttrain...myles sings it great - on key - hitting the high notes and stuff - but then you listen to Axl sing it and there's more angst and agression - it's more honest - I guess cos it's his song - but like in Axl's version theres a sense that it's both a good and bad thing to be on the night train - there's an angst to it that's not around when myles sings it.
I'm sure from Back to Cali and Starlight he can deliver the ballads...question is...can he bring us some perfect crime style stuff.
Re: Duff/Axl vs. Slash/Matt/Gilby 1994 Album
CD:
Madagascar
Blues (street of dreams)
TIL
SORRY
Cather in the Rye
If The World
Prostitute
TWATNone of those are "rockers"...
Better, CD, Shacklers, Scraped, Riad?
Nobody said they were.
CD
Rockers:
Chinese
Shackler's
Better (yes, I consider Better a rocker)
Scraped
Riad
Sorry (yes, I consider Sorry a rocker)
I.R.S.
Ballads:
Street of Dreams
If The World
TWAT
Catcher
Maddy
This I Love
Prostitute
= 50/50
And i'll explain to you why I consider Sorry a rocker and not a ballad. Do you consider some of Pink Floyd's big hits ballads? If you do then you probably don't agree with me. But I see alot of their "in between" songs as closer to rockers than to ballads. Sorry for me falls in this category. Although it has soft parts and a soft guitar solo from Bucket, the song's attitude and direction is a dark "fuck you" rocker, just slow tempo.
That's not really a ballad. And I think Slash would agree with me.
Slash specifically couldn't stand the sappy, "Stephanie Seymour left me wah wah" ballads. Ballads typically have a direct message of unrequited love, love lost, love gained, something about a bad boy suddenly having feelings when he sticks it into nature's pencil sharpener.
SOD = burnt by a woman
ITW = it doesn't have to be over, I still love you
TWAT = post-unrequited love and a loss of innocence
Maddy = forgive them Lord, they know not what they do
TIL = self-explanatory in the title
Prostitute = being used in a loveless relationship
Re: Duff/Axl vs. Slash/Matt/Gilby 1994 Album
Axlin08 wrote:50/50. Rockers and ballads. Even that was too much to Slash. I think he was of the opinion that rock albums should only have 1-2 ballads, ala AFD.
Yeah...the interesting thing is...to date Axl has released 1 album...with 8 ballads on it...while slash has released 5 albums which were all mostly rockers...
Does make me think the way to go forward as old GNR would have been to develop the snakepit/vr riffs as GNR tracks...and every album add one or two tracks from Axl - "A Catcher in the Rye" or a "This I love" as they became availiable.
Honest to God that's the only way we MIGHT'VE gotten steady GN'R albums, so Slash might've been on to something there.
Slash, Duff, and/or Izzy work FAST. If those guys inspire Axl, Axl can whip up some lyrics and melodies, and bam... you have a GN'R song.
His ballads however were his strong suit. Just based on Slash, Izzy & Duff's solo or VR stuff years later... it's pretty much a known fact that ONLY Axl does the ballads. He's the man at that.
Plus Axl takes so long to work, that it would've made more sense to have Axl's UYI-styled ballads be the "anomolies" on the album, seperate from the overall tone. Plus Axl would only have to deliver maybe 2 songs an album. The rest would just be him adding stuff to the band's already pre-existing stuff. Dizzy could handle piano work on those if need be.
If they could've buckled down, I could've seen a new GN'R album in 1996, that would've seen maybe 10 full on rockers, and then the 3 ballads would've been them finishing up This I Love, Axl's take on Fall To Pieces, and maybe Catcher In The Rye and/or Madagascar.
TIL & FTP were already being worked before the old band broke up, and I believe Axl was working with Paul & Chris prepping Catcher & Maddy as early as 1998.
Re: Duff/Axl vs. Slash/Matt/Gilby 1994 Album
I just realised that yesterday on "Sorry".
I could so hear later Floyd era "Roger Waters" singing that, lyrics are perfect for him.
