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Re: Axl and Duff SHOULD have worked on this song
Relating to the other thread, I think "It's Good To Be Alive" is more grunge era... ala Pearl Jam/Alice In Chains sounding than anything Axl ever put.
- monkeychow
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Re: Axl and Duff SHOULD have worked on this song
Because that Snakepit record could have burried the band as a GN'R album. Let's be fair, it sucks. Good riffs and solos yeah, but there are hardly any songs on there.
Hmmm I don't see it that way - I'll grant they need Axl's touch - but instrumentally these guitar parts are as strong as any of the UYI rockers and probably half of AFD if you consider instrumental versions of those tracks.
Think about songs like My Michelle or Mr Brownstone just as riffs and solos...and it's not really any better than something like Soma City Ward or Dime Store Rock.....very very similar style of guitar...the difference is the former benifited from Axl's lyrics and singing.
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Re: Axl and Duff SHOULD have worked on this song
I guess what I'm saying is - if you gave Eric Dover - an instrumental version of Back off Bitch, Don't Damn Me, Bad Apples etc....and made him write the lyrics and melodies...do you think you'd come out with tracks that are superior to Snakepit 1?
The problem is that Axl and co are missing. In terms of a Slash based guitar line - they're just like GNR tracks...it's the parts that arn't the guitar that need GNRism applied to them.
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Re: Axl and Duff SHOULD have worked on this song
Yes, let Duff/Axl/Izzy work on the song I posted, and you would have a good tune. That guitar playing is just too tasty for it not to have worked. That solo is very nice too...
Re: Axl and Duff SHOULD have worked on this song
The music sounds dated and generic, that's what the problem is for me. That's my opinion of course. But I can't picture Axl on any of the Snakepit stuff. I just haven't heard anything from Slash that would fit Axl.
That's not saying he isn't capable. There's no doubt in my mind that he is, but there lies the problem of why they can't create music together anymore. Slash would have to write and write and write to get something Axl was interested in. Which I'm sure pisses him off, which makes me totally believe that he would bury stuff Axl showed interest in, like Fall To Pieces... Which, ironically, Slash happens to ressurect and it becomes his biggest hit post GN'R. 
I do think Axl would have sounded cool on By The Sword, FTP and Promise.
- monkeychow
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Re: Axl and Duff SHOULD have worked on this song
Interesting, seems our tastes differ a little.
To me Fall to Pieces is one of the more Slash-by-the-numbers songs of the post GNR era. It's sure not helped by Scott's repetitive lyrics - but even instrumentally it's kinda PC meets SWOM without the edge of either track. It's not that I dislike it - it's just I think most of slash's guitar playing on his other tracks destroys it.
I don't deny snakepit is classic guitar based rock, but then so is AFD, riff wise to me one isn't more generic than the other. In fact if anything over the years, for the most part and some of VR excepted, Slash's solos and riffs have become less pattern based and stuff. But each to their own.
Re: Axl and Duff SHOULD have worked on this song
that album doesn't suck, better than some of the god awful shit that came out around the same time.
Huh? There was alot of great shit that came out in the 93-96 period that are VASTLY superior to Shitpit 1.
I heard alot of the people come in here and go "yeah that first Snakepit album could've been a GN'R album"... yeah if Dover wasn't all over shitting on every single song.
Slash had nothing as a solo artist until he teamed back up with Duff and kicked out VR. Then he started getting somewhere, but it wasn't quite there because he lacked a good writer up front (Scott).
Slash 2010 is the best solo effort Slash has EVER done, and it's still an album that's mixed.
If you culled the best of Slash's stuff, a few of Izzy's good moments, with the finest of Axl's CD ballads, and maybe a Duff solo track... you'd have an awesome old GN'R album.
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Re: Axl and Duff SHOULD have worked on this song
I heard alot of the people come in here and go "yeah that first Snakepit album could've been a GN'R album"... yeah if Dover wasn't all over shitting on every single song.
Slash had nothing as a solo artist until he teamed back up with Duff and kicked out VR. Then he started getting somewhere, but it wasn't quite there because he lacked a good writer up front (Scott).
Well that's the thing...i mean..I do like VR and Snakepit as they are...but that said...most people can't get past the frontman thing...and in terms of the underlying guitar ideas those tracks used....it's sort of a waste.
Let me go to an alternate reality.
Imagine if Slash and Axl had been better friends and not driven each other away (Slash in his world of heroin hell at the time, and whatever deamons bug Axl)....imagine if we lived in a world where Slash and Axl struck some kind of deal....
Where Axl was still inspired to work on Slash's riffs even though they're aerosmith based...and where Slash was inspired to add his stuff to more and more of Axl's ballads even though they're elton based....
And what you'd get is every half decent song idea they've all had, added into the blender of awesomeness....and what would come out IMO...would be like 2 or 3 more albums at least...that would be just as good as UYI and AFD....I know it's heracy...but I honestly think this...the underlying basis for songs just as good as any of their past work can still be found in any of the new work...just devoid of the input of the others....but you can see it's there waiting....
and had the friendship actually worked...and GNR stayed functional (to the extent ir ever was!) all this would all have happened under one co-hesive GNR brand...and GNR would have become THE all time rock band IMO...bigger than Zep and the Stones in terms of long term impact...but i guess all that happens in another dimension or something!
Re: Axl and Duff SHOULD have worked on this song
That's what's so sad about the whole thing. Slash quit GN'R because of working Axl's way, yet does session work that works the exact same way.
Axl seems to happier working that way too.
I'm totally convinced that had guys like Doug Goldstein never existed, Guns N' Roses would've never broke up the way it did. Slash & Duff would've adapted, and maybe even Izzy. They'd work up songs privately. Axl would work his stuff up privately. They'd trade stuff back and forth (which is basically how they work today).
Then they'd tour behind it.
It's such a sad shame how it all worked out. They all pulled in opposite directions because of "Axl's way", yet pretty much do it that way anyways. Not to mention if Izzy would've gotten over it, he probably would've never had to leave either. He'd only ever have to tour every couple of years. Big whoop.
