Duff/Axl vs. Slash/Matt/Gilby 1994 Album

johndivney

Intercourse wrote:

What Axl was after was NIN II which would have been the biggest band in the world apeing a smaller one.

i don't agree w/this at all
OMG is the only real 'industrial' songs post-slash gnr have done
axl was maybe more interested in incorporating new technology but the evidence off CD shows he was following a similar ELO/Elton John trip that always inspired him

AtariLegend

I agree. Slash said in an interview for the "10 Greatest Statdium Bands Of All Time" for Channel 4 here in the UK in 1998/9, on the 94 sessions that "you don't need a 24 piece orchestra to make every song" (Had it on VHS long time ago).

Excerpts from a Slash interview
Folha De Sao Paulo Journal 21st of July 1995

F-You said you're a "fanatic rocker" how do you deal with the pianos and ballads of GNR?

S- I have a problem with that.... When Axl goes to the piano I used to be bored... Some songs are ok, like "November Rain". I think it's interesting recording a good guitar solo over a piano accompaniment, but it's something i don't wanna do too much... It pisses me off...But sometimes, it's Ok.

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Guns N' Roses: Is It All Over? Does Anyone Care?
Metal Hammer November 1995

"Anyway, we accomplished that and then we took off on this world-wide fucking mega-rock star thing. So then we come home, and I'm writing material that's just the same as the kind of material I used to write in the old days, and Axl's whole trip was...

"Everybody used to go, "What's gonna happen when Guns is no longer.. when a new fad comes along?" or whatever. And I'd be, "I don't give a fuck". And I watched it happen, and it didn't matter to me. With Axl it mattered a hell of a lot. Next thing you know, he wants to be Pearl Jam, right? Why? I hate Pearl Jam anyway, so what's the point? And it's great to watch Pearl Jam going through what they're going through, cos I'm going, "See Axl?"

"We do what we do the best that anybody does. Let's just go out and do a club tour, a theatre tour, and fucking get back down to where we have some validity with an audience that we can relate to. But Axl was all fucking.. he wants to be on MTV, he wants to do Unplugged, he wants to be this, he wants to be that. So we didn't see eye to eye, and that's where a lot of that bullshit got started, and of course it was blown out of all proportion in the press.

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Coiled and Ready
Rolling Stone, April 1995

Everything has been this huge trial and error, not knowing where we were heading because we didn't really care. For Axl, he probably had visions of `November Rain' all along. Everybody's got great stories, with the exception of Warrant.

"I ended up doing Snakepit,"

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monkeychow

johndivney wrote:

the evidence off CD shows he was following a similar ELO/Elton John trip that always inspired him

It does...but then Axl's comments about the name debate suggest that during CD he was aiming for a certain style because it was similar to old GNR to an extent.

I think in some of the "multiple album" interviews from many many years ago too he strongly implied that CD1 was the most like the old stuff and that if people couldn't deal with that then they really couldn't deal with CD2.

Of course that could all be trends and plans that have long changed too.

But I do wonder if after the band impoloded he gathered his most traditional ideas for the album...to help ease the loss of slash and so on.

Or even his comment that a solo record would be more instrumental than vocal. It suggests to me that what inspires Axl these days is well outside traditional hard rock and his interest in music is still deep but exists in forms that are not really all that compatiable with sitting down with slash and writing and aerosmith style record. (which is what i'd guess slash is doing at this moment with myles).

monkeychow

What's a shame is that they couldn't find a middle ground.

Like i can imagine a UYI3 - where like the rockers are snakepit riffs with Axl (which to me would be akin to UYI1 rockers) and then there's a disc worth of piano stuff like Catcher - with Slash solos - mixed with more experimental stuff like My World and Oh My God.

I'm one of the biggest Slash fans there is...but I do wonder...if he'd held off from Snakepit 1 for a few more years - and let Axl complete some of the industrial tracks and ballads that were obsessing him - could they then have put them together and formed the next GNR record...or was the industrial stuff just too far outside Slash's area of inspiration....and maybe slash's need to tour to avoid ODing with drug binges at home was just too great....

Axlin16

johndivney wrote:

Intercourse wrote:
What Axl was after was NIN II which would have been the biggest band in the world apeing a smaller one.
i don't agree w/this at all
OMG is the only real 'industrial' songs post-slash gnr have done
axl was maybe more interested in incorporating new technology but the evidence off CD shows he was following a similar ELO/Elton John trip that always inspired him

I agree. Intercourse I was simply mentioning what was "in". Had GN'R dropped an industrial-tinged, UYI 3 album in 1995/96, they wouldn't have been chasing the trend, they would've been setting it. A band of that caliber embracing it at the time would've taken a broad audience and made them listen to that kind of music.

But Axl wasn't all about that. If anything Axl wanted to keep doing NR & Estranged-type songs.

I said it before and i'll said it again. Had Axl, Slash & Duff been able to agree to record another GN'R album and release it in 1995, it probably would've chased fads, but not those fads at that moment, but been a year or two late to the game (based on Slash's Pearl Jam comment).

You would've gotten a GN'R album with Brother Cane-rockers, and Alice In Chains-Jar of Flies ballads.

Smoking Guns

Just read those Slash quotes, no wonder I side with Slash so much, cause I agree with pretty much everything he says... he had a point, had they done the club thing and gotten humble again, that may have helped chemistry, etc.. but at that point, axl wasn't going backwards.

Axlin16

Actually when I read them I started realize how dis-enfranchised Slash was with Axl at that time. It also vindicates why Axl started to fully resent Slash, and basically hate his guts.

And I don't blame him.

If my guitarist basically ran to the press and told anyone who would listen that they "hate" what I do as an artist in my band... they better quit. Otherwise they're fucking fired. Slash included.

monkeychow

I believe they're both to blame personally.

Smoking Guns

Well, at that time, Axl wasn't really communicating with Slash, so maybe he felt talking to the press was better?

Smoking Guns

And Axl loving Pearl Jam, seems like we saw him follow other trends... NIN...

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