Duff/Axl vs. Slash/Matt/Gilby 1994 Album

AtariLegend

I bring it up almost everytime, some one says on another forum that they're shocked Axl and Duff would play together again. However Duff was there basically in some form with Axl at least year or 2 after Slash left, dependant of course on if you count the offical '96 or the gone in '95, but not offical till '96 story.

Was looking for an old article I could swear was somewhere on HTGTH with Duff after Slash left, didn't find it.

This is interesting though, from Gilby:

K!: How's the next GN'R album progressing?
G: "There is no `next GN'R album'!"

K!:EVER?!
G: "I don't know about ever. For now. We started working on one, and it got canned."

K!: How come?
G: "Well, it's an Axl thing. He just wasn't into what we were doing, so he's kind of rethinking what he wants to do. He just kind of threw a wrench into everything that me, Slash and Matt had worked to. And then Duff came in.

"Duff and Axl have an idea what the album should be, and the rest of us have another idea. So right now, we're not gonna do anything. And anyway, from July to the end of the year, I'm not gonna be available, because I'm gonna be working on my record.

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Smoking Guns

Duff's stock with me has dipped a bit the past couple days.

metallex78

Snakepit 1995 was the GN'R album they were working on, but Axl, and I think Duff too, wanted no part of it.

metallex78

I think if we took the best bits from Snakepit 95, Duff's Beautiful Disease, Gilby's Pawn Shop Guitars, along with Axl's songs, we could have had a pretty rock solid GN'R album.

Axlin16

AtariLegend wrote:

I bring it up almost everytime, some one says on another forum that they're shocked Axl and Duff would play together again. However Duff was there basically in some form with Axl at least year or 2 after Slash left, dependant of course on if you count the offical '96 or the gone in '95, but not offical till '96 story.
Was looking for an old article I could swear was somewhere on HTGTH with Duff after Slash left, didn't find it.
This is interesting though, from Gilby:
K!: How's the next GN'R album progressing?
G: "There is no `next GN'R album'!"
K!:EVER?!
G: "I don't know about ever. For now. We started working on one, and it got canned."
K!: How come?
G: "Well, it's an Axl thing. He just wasn't into what we were doing, so he's kind of rethinking what he wants to do. He just kind of threw a wrench into everything that me, Slash and Matt had worked to. And then Duff came in.
"Duff and Axl have an idea what the album should be, and the rest of us have another idea. So right now, we're not gonna do anything. And anyway, from July to the end of the year, I'm not gonna be available, because I'm gonna be working on my record.
Source: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/arti … ticleid=60

Good point. I've brought that up a couple times in the past. Obviously Duff was not near as loyal to Slash as people have continued on about for years. Even in 2002, Axl softballed on Duff, while he slammed Slash & Izzy.

Obviously at one time, Axl & Duff thought they could make a go together of a Slash-less Guns N' Roses.

Intercourse

I don't believe this is a 'loyalty thing'. I think Duff was interested in moving the GNR sound on. He was also sober and doing some bike riding with Axl at the time if I recall correctly, so they probably had time to talk. Matt & Slash were probably bombed on jazz talc and booze and not taking direction from anyone.

I think Duff was right, Snakepit was great in parts but dated overall. I just think they all should have checked their egos at the door, sat down to write a great modern rock album that had GNR all over it but had moved to stay in touch with the times. Duff was the only one who saw how it should be. Axl and Slash went into their trenches and are still there today.

This crisis should have led to their 'Achtung Baby' moment and not the wreck it became.

If they could have put some of VR 2004's style of material out in 1995 with Axl singing over it, I think it could have been regarded as a modern hard rock classic that would have floored the critics who were waiting with knives out for 'Goodbye Yellow Brick Road' with ten minute blues solos over it.

Axlin16

Yeah but in the late 90's, industrial/nu-metal was "in" for rock. If GN'R could've gotten that kind of album out by 1996/97, with maybe a few Axl UYI-styled ballads for good measure, it would've been warmly received, and GN'R would've been credited with kickstarting the popularizing movement, along with White Zombie.

Either way, something like Chinese Democracy is still what you would've gotten, and it makes more sense why Robin Finck was brought into the fold to replace Slash. It was obvious that was the record Axl wanted to make, even then because he saw "the future" before it happened.

Of course it got sandbagged down, and now he has to regroup.

johndivney

i too was initially p shocked when axl said loaded were gonna open for guns
but upon reflection, and remembering how long he stayed in gnr post-93 it began to make more sense..

in duff's book he does highlight the bond & empathy between him & axl. he does say when they first started out axl's mood swings were affecting the band in a way drugs weren't (but would be) but he goes on to empathize & explain rather than judge axl as an asshole. he says he understood the chemical imbalance in axl as a result of his own panic attacks. there is definitely a stonger bond there than i had thought.

Axlin16

I agree, and I also think Duff spending time with Axl last year privately did alot to come full circle and put both of their legacies in perspective.

I think they both genuinely care for each other. I think they all feel the same bond for Izzy, but Izzy is more eccentric than Axl and is kinda the "free spirit" of the band.

Intercourse

Yeah but in the late 90's, industrial/nu-metal was "in" for rock.

And this is why I get Slash's point about Axl chasing trends. What Axl was after was NIN II which would have been the biggest band in the world apeing a smaller one.

They should have done what Bono said U2 did with Achtung Baby; U2 stole sound styles from the UK Manchester scene, used some heavy guitar stolen from the grunge rock and emerging inustrial rock scenes but still stayed true to their core and sounded very much like U2.

A brave mix of Slash's blues /heavy guitar with Duff's punk and Axl's industrial leanings could have made for very interesting stuff.

Has anyone listened to Love Sex Death? They had a sound that is kinda near where I think GNR could have gone.

Check them out..

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