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Re: Could the tide be turning
we'll just have to wait to see what happens with nu-GNR2 to see whose right..
Re: Could the tide be turning
I still haven't seen anybody make a case that they would. I've seen "why not?" or "certainly they'd profit on it", but that's all speculation. I've yet to see one fact based statement on why the record company would want to release a new album. I don't hear them begging for it. i don't see them mentioning it. I didn't see them promote the last one. they got their money back, and THAT is the ONLY reason CD was allowed to be released in the first place. There will be no best buy this time around.
Re: Could the tide be turning
Intercourse wrote:People should just go high level and look at the VR and nu-GNR trajectories. Millions of people loved old GNR and remained interested in what the alumni would come back with.
VR came out the gate first and started well. I agree with Monkey that VR2 was a sonic departure and added to their implosion but the sales were sooo small against VR1, that it has to be concluded that many just didn't want any more VR after VR1.
Same with nu-GNR. People wanted to hear what the most expensive cluster fuck album in history sounded like from the world's most enigmatic rock singer. It didn't meet the hype, it didn't set the charts on fire and it had no hits. Why would anybody thing CD2 will fare any better?
The lineup remains as anonomyous as ever, the crowd still really only go mental when the old stuff is played and Estranged blowing up gigs and the internet this year just proves that the world is not really here for CD material at all, they want the old stuff and the rest is just pleasant filler while they wait for the big guns.
To say VR and nu-GNR are totally different and cannot be compared is just too short sighted. To the average joe, VR and GNR 2011 are just two broken pieces of the whole picture. The world really wants the whole picture and is not really too interested in buying fully into bit parts of the old band that wrote the soundtrack to their youth.
VR and nu-GNR follow up albums are not being waited on by the world. Just the same way as Paul McCartney can't sell his solo shit now despite the fact that he was in the Beatles. Its the human condition, we move on.
Right. Which is why crowds have been signing along to every word of This I Love; because they're there for the old stuff.
Show me a video of VR at any time in any country ever with the entire crowd signing Fall To Pieces (or any of their tunes for that matter) and I might see your point.
The fact remains that there ARE people out there who genuinely like Chinese Democracy. You guys can talk this sales figure and that sales figure all you want but as someone already said in the thread "since when do sales have to do with quality" (poor paraphrase but same point).
If record sales meant anything, Kid Rock and Creed would be simply amazing artists. But they're not, their music is shit and a LOT of people buy it. You guys wanna debate album sales and hide behind it as a reason CD "failed" or a reason "it sucks". None of that is true. Many, many people love the songs on it (see the This I Love example above) and that makes it a success in my eyes.
I love the passion. The basis is way off, but I do love the passion. Crowds singing along to This I Love. Please. First off, that isn't happening in the US. But ignoring that, when they get 30,000 people at an international show and maybe 5,000 of them know the song and sing it, it's going to be heard. It does not mean the whole crowd was singing along. Lets base the discussion on reality.
Re: Could the tide be turning
I still haven't seen anybody make a case that they would. I've seen "why not?" or "certainly they'd profit on it", but that's all speculation. I've yet to see one fact based statement on why the record company would want to release a new album. I don't hear them begging for it. i don't see them mentioning it. I didn't see them promote the last one. they got their money back, and THAT is the ONLY reason CD was allowed to be released in the first place. There will be no best buy this time around.
I haven't seen you, or others, make any fact based statements as to why the record company wouldn't put out another album either. You're also making your own assumptions. I've never heard Universal SAY they wouldn't support another GNR release, just like you've never heard them say they would. So we seem to be even there.
And I'll ask again. How many ROCK records have sold as well, if not better than CD since its release? I'm pretty sure the answer is, not many. So for that alone, I could certainly see a reason for the record company to give it a go. Especially if they could do it in a fiscally responsible manner and without all the headaches. Of course, therein lies the problem, as money and headaches were two MAJOR issues last time around.
Arguments can be made on both sides of the argument and NONE of us are right or wrong until proven otherwise. And even then, people will spin things a certain way to make it look like they were right all along.
Re: Could the tide be turning
Basically, the people against CD, which is the way some of you are coming across, have now sunk down to relating stories of ONE of your friends as an example as to why you're theory is correct. The spontaneous curiosity purchases of CD from Best Buy customers is a gas, though. 
And again, Buzz dismisses any demographic outside the US. But not only that, he's come up with a figure of 5,000 out of 30,000 that were singing along with new songs from... what source exactly? What you heard from your computer speakers from a stream... Or did you pull it out of your ass? Were we talking about basing things in reality, right?? 
You guys are trying really, really hard to try and dismiss CD... Even though the facts are it sold 600,000 in the US, 3 million around the world and had excellent reviews and that's without any great promotion or coinciding tour. Those are facts not opinions. No need to try an twist them on this end. And on top of the fact that UNI has already recouped the money off the CD recordings which included the second album, that's a lot of reasons to release another album.
Re: Could the tide be turning
We're not trying to do anything other than state realuty. If reality discredits something, so be it.
And yes, I dismiss any demographic outside the US. That's where I live and that's where the band is from. If others are willing to settle, they can. I'm proud of the US. The people got something right at least.
Re: Could the tide be turning
Your patriotism is very nice, buzz. But still...
Even though the facts are it sold 600,000 in the US, 3 million around the world and had excellent reviews and that's without any great promotion or coinciding tour. Those are facts not opinions.
That's reality. You know, the thing you seem to be ignoring.
