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Re: Could the tide be turning
@madagas yeah it was smart to clear the debt but at what cost? CD release made his prior comments null and void, leaks+3 killed any grass roots potential, perfectionist tag a joke, turned into a $2 beer coaster & 3 yrs later waiting for scraps.
Woo!!
Re: Could the tide be turning
@Riad I was generalizing to make a point. I love the quirky, flip flop nature of the fanbase. Adds a comedic element lacking in other bands fans.
2004-08 :CD is gonna KILL VR in 1st week sales!!!
08-now: Sales dont matter.
I love that kind of shit.
Re: Could the tide be turning
This band will go the way of VR. They sold CD on the basis of curiosity and old loyalties to the GNR name.
That halo is gone now and, like VR, their sophomore effort will sink without a trace unless the lead single is as radio friendly and as loved as SCOM was back in the day.
You can trade insults or score points all you like; VR is the exact same model as nu-GNR, its old GNR with something missing. You already have a nice model to base predictions of sales and fan reactions against.
Plus, don't forget that VR's CB way outsold GNR's CD straight out the gate so if anything there was more love for VR out there back in the day than there was for Axl's experiment.
I really don't get this, like I said before, curiosity seekers could have streamed the album free instead of going out to a Best Buy.
I don't know who's throwing insults...
VR and GN'R are 2 totally different beasts.
Re: Could the tide be turning
@Riad I was generalizing to make a point. I love the quirky, flip flop nature of the fanbase. Adds a comedic element lacking in other bands fans.
2004-08 :CD is gonna KILL VR in 1st week sales!!!
08-now: Sales dont matter.I love that kind of shit.
hehe. COuldn't help but smile reading that.
Re: Could the tide be turning
i havent heard one person say cd sold as much as i was hoping it would.
cd failed for about 8 or 9 reasons. why some of you want to turn a blind eye to those reasons or think it comes down to one reason is beyond me.
if they do things differently for cd2 it'll do as well as cd1 if not better.
irregardless, it would make sense financially for the label to release an album that they've already spent thousands (maybe millions) of dollars on and can recoup those costs and turn a minimum of a small profit from.
Re: Could the tide be turning
Plus, don't forget that VR's CB way outsold GNR's CD straight out the gate so if anything there was more love for VR out there back in the day than there was for Axl's experiment.
VR was more of a supergroup. I really see no comparison to Axl's situation.
exactly.
they also released their first cd when the iron was hot, setting the stage for a second release, neither of which was done so off the beaten path that best buy had become when chinese was released.
dl'n had become much more significant when chinese was released as well.
Re: Could the tide be turning
Intercourse wrote:This band will go the way of VR. They sold CD on the basis of curiosity and old loyalties to the GNR name.
That halo is gone now and, like VR, their sophomore effort will sink without a trace unless the lead single is as radio friendly and as loved as SCOM was back in the day.
You can trade insults or score points all you like; VR is the exact same model as nu-GNR, its old GNR with something missing. You already have a nice model to base predictions of sales and fan reactions against.
Plus, don't forget that VR's CB way outsold GNR's CD straight out the gate so if anything there was more love for VR out there back in the day than there was for Axl's experiment.
I really don't get this, like I said before, curiosity seekers could have streamed the album free instead of going out to a Best Buy..
I don't buy this for a second. Most people who bought the album probably didn't even consider going to the band's myspace page to stream the album. I'd stake my life that the streams were based off a large number of hardcore fans listening over and over and over again. Joe Blow in the public who was curious bought the album or simply downloaded the fucking thing. They didn't waste their time listening to the stream on myspace cause they didn't even know it was streaming.
Re: Could the tide be turning
So, all the curiosity sales came from BB customers who happened upon CD sitting on the rack? Or is it that these people knew about Chinese Democracy, and were curious about it, curious enough to want to hear it, knew they had to go to a specific store chain to purchase the CD, but they didn't know it was streaming for free on Myspace? Even though if you typed in Chinese Democracy in a search engine, or just clicked the yahoo link when it was released, it took you right to the stream with the header "Listen to the entire album here" and all that? And the hardcore fans who already had the album in whatever form kept streaming the album?
Hmmmmm. This always struck me as a logic aimed at diminishing any success CD had, more than a logic based... I don't know... In reality? Or at least on any kind of thought out rational level.
Re: Could the tide be turning
I know of only one person who bought CD and he didn't even know it had been released. He saw it in the store thought "a new Guns N' Roses cd?" and bought it. No listening to streams, no wondering about it, no nothing. he saw it and bought it. I guarantee you most "curious" purchaces happend this way.
You know how many times I've seen a new relase I didn't know even existed and just bought it out of curiosity? A LOT! Most people didnt' give a flying fuck to stream the album or to google search it or to search out what chain the album was being sold at. Most purchases likely came from impulse buys when people saw the damn thing in the new release section.
